Dylan Thomas points for Jockey Club Gold Cup

#1 09-19-2006, 01:39 PM

..in a shocker, Coolmore will be pointing Dylan Thomas to the Gr. I JCGC at Belmont with an obvious attempt of trying to make the Breeders' Cup Classic instead of the Turf with him....

Since he is at his best going 1 1/2 miles on the turf, I find this very strange, especially with his strict turf breeding and the fact he'll have to face Bernardini and Invasor...they clearly just want a horse for the Classic to keep their streak going and figure he is their best chance...Hell, if Shirocco and David Junior go into the Classic like speculated, Dylan Thomas would be one of the top choices in the BC Turf, especially with Electrocutionist dead....

The over/under of lengths beaten in the JCGC should be set at about 8 IMO....

blackthroatedwind · #2 09-19-2006, 01:41 PM

Coolmore would do ANYTHING to beat the Arabs. That's part of what's going on here.

I guess by running in the Jockey Club they can see if he can handle the dirt and either run in the BC Turf or the races in Asia if he doesn't.

Sightseek · #3 09-19-2006, 01:43 PM

OMG, this is going to be such a great day! Don't know about his chances but cheers for trying! (and before the Classic unlike David Junior's connections)

Cajungator26 · #4 09-19-2006, 01:44 PM

I think this is awesome... the JCGC is going to be one hell of a race!

#5 09-19-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Coolmore would do ANYTHING to beat the Arabs. That's part of what's going on here.

I guess by running in the Jockey Club they can see if he can handle the dirt and either run in the BC Turf or the races in Asia if he doesn't.

I agree that this is their move in a clear grudge match between the two powers, but if I were them I wouldn't want to look stupid in the process...Bernardini and Invasor will crush that poor turf horse...

blackthroatedwind · #6 09-19-2006, 01:49 PM

More foolish than the whole Green Monkey episode? I think not.

They may not want to race him against Hurricane Run. That is most likely part of this.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #7 09-19-2006, 01:50 PM

They can't stand the Sheik winning all these big races when they have dumped alot of money in the game, and this horse wouldn't be a suprise if he won

blackthroatedwind · #8 09-19-2006, 01:51 PM

I'm going to guess that Coolmore has been far more financially successful in this game, dollar for dollar, than the Arabs.

slotdirt · #9 09-19-2006, 01:52 PM

Why in the heck would anybody point Shirocco for the Classic?

Pointg5 · #10 09-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Why in the heck would anybody point Shirocco for the Classic?

The same could have been said for Sakhee, he ran well...

blackthroatedwind · #11 09-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Why in the heck would anybody point Shirocco for the Classic?

Money.

He already won the BC Turf, his stud value is limited...unless he wins, or even places, in a race like the Classic.

#12 09-19-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

More foolish than the whole Green Monkey episode? I think not.

They may not want to race him against Hurricane Run. That is most likely part of this.

True, but you would think Hurricane Run is the better horse and would have the best shot in the Classic....dunno...the Turf will be by far the easier race to win....I think Dylan Thomas could win the Turf with Shirocco running in the Classic if that happens....so could Hurricane Run but I would think he'd have a better shot in the Classic...dunno..

As for The Green Monkey thing, you obviously don't know that story too well...

Linny · #13 09-19-2006, 01:59 PM

Shirocco's expected to stand in Germany. That's why he didn't use Lasix last year. No horse who has used race day Lasix is permitted to stand at stud in Germany.

blackthroatedwind · #14 09-19-2006, 02:00 PM

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True, but you would think Hurricane Run is the better horse and would have the best shot in the Classic....dunno...the Turf will be by far the easier race to win....I think Dylan Thomas could win the Turf with Shirocco running in the Classic if that happens....so could Hurricane Run but I would think he'd have a better shot in the Classic...dunno..

As for The Green Monkey thing, you obviously don't know that story too well...

I know the Green Monkey story and we talked about it months ago. All you need to know are the players and you know the story. Only the numbers change.

Cajungator26 · #15 09-19-2006, 02:04 PM

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Shirocco's expected to stand in Germany. That's why he didn't use Lasix last year. No horse who has used race day Lasix is permitted to stand at stud in Germany.

It's too bad we don't follow suit.

SniperSB23 · #16 09-19-2006, 02:07 PM

I love the move. You run him here and still have the option to go to the BC Turf. If you wait until the Classic to find out if he likes dirt then you lose that option. I think more of the Euros (David Junior) should be doing this.

#17 09-19-2006, 02:08 PM

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I know the Green Monkey story and we talked about it months ago. All you need to know are the players and you know the story. Only the numbers change.

If you know then what is so foolish about that relative to the fued between the two camps?

blackthroatedwind · #18 09-19-2006, 02:09 PM

Why, because the Sheik made them pay themselves more? The fact that the Sheik made his final price higher is basically irrelevent.

Cajungator26 · #19 09-19-2006, 02:10 PM

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If you know then what is so foolish about that relative to the fued between the two camps?

Probably the fact that a bold faced lie made out in the public like The Green Monkey is considered a trifle foolish.

#20 09-19-2006, 02:25 PM

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Why, because the Sheik made them pay themselves more? The fact that the Sheik made his final price higher is basically irrelevent.

Exactly, and it didn't mean anything - no matter who made the price higher...it could have been Fusao Sekiguchi taking the price to $16 million and it wouldn't have mattered....it had nothing to do with their 'rivalry' or hatred towards each other and a 'foolish' act towards trying to beat one another....it was simply about Demi getting his horse ....