2.5 million more Americans insured due to Obamacares

[Riot]

Good news. 2.5 million Americans now have insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. Lots of others left to insure, but it's a great start.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...#ixzz1gVfIOtId



And: for those that have cancer, or are on dialysis, or have reached their lifetime caps, or have had heart surgery, and can't get insurance, or cannot get insured for the things they are ill with (asthma, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, arthritis, immune diseases, etc. etc. ... Obamacares has a pool you can purchase insurance out of, and get covered for your illness: www.healthcare.gov

Yes, the uninsurable and ill and rescinded can now purchase insurance and get health care, too.

[Danzig]

went to a meeting today.

word is that premiums are set to double or even triple on non-grandfathered health plans in a couple years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

went to a meeting today.

word is that premiums are set to double or even triple on non-grandfathered health plans in a couple years.

Yup. Those private insurance companies will attempt to screw you any way they can. Do you know what provision of Obamacares just kicked in? The one that says that private insurance companies have to spend 80% of your premium money on your health care - rather than their bonuses.

Single payer. It's the way to go.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

went to a meeting today.

word is that premiums are set to double or even triple on non-grandfathered health plans in a couple years.

Strictly because of Obamacare though the Riots will spin it. Of course when I mentioned that this was going to happen she told me that I didnt know what I was talking about...

Who do you think is going to pay for those extra people insured? Look in the mirror because it is you. Dont feel bad though because a bunch of perfectly heathy 18-25 year olds now have coverage because of you!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Strictly because of Obamacare though the Riots will spin it. Of course when I mentioned that this was going to happen she told me that I didnt know what I was talking about...

Who do you think is going to pay for those extra people insured? Look in the mirror because it is you. Dont feel bad though because a bunch of perfectly heathy 18-25 year olds now have coverage because of you!

Sorry. Nice try. But those healthy 18-25 year olds are being paid for by their parents insurance premiums. Not you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry. Nice try. But those healthy 18-25 year olds are being paid for by their parents insurance premiums. Not you.

Oh so everybodys daddy is paying for them now?

Now if this is true AND the HMO's are forced BY LAW to spend 80% of their income on patients then why exactly are they raising premiums? Oh that right because they were the ones behind writing the laws so that they had free reign to raise rates as much as they wanted. So essentially the average working person gets a huge increase in their premium, a bunch of people who dont need coverage get covered, HMO's are making a ton more income so their bonuses stay the same or go up despite the new law and fools praise this as a great deal...

[Cannon Shell]

The ultimate irony is that as 18-25 year olds increase coverage (despite little need for this age bracket) the 26-35 age bracket has less coveage than they did 2 years ago. So a group that needs coverage more is less covered. Brilliant

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh so everybodys daddy is paying for them now?

Nope. Private insurance, paid for only by the insured.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The ultimate irony is that as 18-25 year olds increase coverage (despite little need for this age bracket) the 26-35 age bracket has less coveage than they did 2 years ago. So a group that needs coverage more is less covered. Brilliant

Yup. They can't afford private health insurance. And people like you sure as hell don't want them to get health benefits through their freeloading public service jobs.

Single payer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yup. They can't afford private health insurance. And people like you sure as hell don't want them to get health benefits through their freeloading public service jobs.

Single payer.

People like me? Who is that? People who understand that nothing is free and that the someone who is going to pay is me? People who understand that in a world where people 26-35 are decreasing coverage and 18-25 are increasing in coverage, things arent getting better but they do cost more.
People like me who are sick of people like you telling us that we should be happy to pay more or "sacrifice" for the people who arent coveredand if we arent then somehow we are bad people because we dont agree with your socialistic view of the world? People who understand that single payer is an impossibility in this country unless we REALLY soak people who own businesses or kill the vast majority of personal injury lawyers? Or change laws that REDUCE the rights of citizens?

[pointman]

In Riot's world everything is for free! Just don't work, buy a house you can't afford, sit on your couch all day (or set up a sex tent in a public park) and the government will take care of it all paid for by those criminal rich people!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

People like me? Who is that? People who understand that nothing is free and that the someone who is going to pay is me?

People like you who whine that they are paying for stuff they aren't. And bitch and moan about others, before they even have a clue what they are talking about.

But hey - why let truth or reality get in the way of what you "know".

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

In Riot's world everything is for free!

Nope. Not in the least.

I know your victim whine doesn't work unless you falsely characterize those you wish to demonize. You should try taking your own advice, and stop blaming everyone else for your little discomfits in life.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

People like you who whine that they are paying for stuff they aren't. And bitch and moan about others, before they even have a clue what they are talking about.

But hey - why let truth or reality get in the way of what you "know".

So who is paying for it?

You live in a dream world where Barak Obama is one of our greatest Presidents (your words more or less), every GOP politician is on Koch Brothers payroll, every OWS person arrested was "brutalized", Unions are good for people other than those actually IN unions, etc...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So who is paying for it?

You live in a dream world where Barak Obama is one of our greatest Presidents (your words more or less), every GOP politician is on Koch Brothers payroll, every OWS person arrested was "brutalized", Unions are good for people other than those actually IN unions, etc...

There is only one American who will benefit from the Obama Presidency. His name is Jimmy Carter.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Strictly because of Obamacare though the Riots will spin it. Of course when I mentioned that this was going to happen she told me that I didnt know what I was talking about...

Who do you think is going to pay for those extra people insured? Look in the mirror because it is you. Dont feel bad though because a bunch of perfectly heathy 18-25 year olds now have coverage because of you!

that's what i pointed out back when they unveiled all the new womens care paid at 100%-touted as 'free'. yeah, nothing is free.
anyone here know the price of colonoscopies? couple grand-now, when you're over 50, you can get one every year, for 'free'. of course we all know it's not free, it's just paid for elsewhere.
no one under 18 can be denied coverage due to pre-existing. no one. who will pay for the rise in claims that will occur? we all know the answer to that one.
anything over 80% of money not paid out in claims has to be returned to the policyholders via rebates. the insurance companies won't be able to put that money aside for future years' claims. all i can say is i'm glad i don't own a health insurance company.

and yeah, 18-25 year olds being able to stay on mom or dads policy will be paid for by mom or dad-if they can afford it. the premiums are about to rise dramatically.
small group coverage will disappear, because small group employers won't be able to afford the coverage for their employees. that can be spun in any direction at warp speed-it's a fact.

adding all these people, and all these benefits would be like your auto company having to take people with mulitple dui's, wrecks, etc, people with revocations etc, and you having to pay their way because they can't 'afford' it.

arkansas already has a plan in place, has had it for years, called 'chip'. it's for people denied health coverage. so the high risk folks could still get coverage. been available for a while. the truth of the entire matter is that some don't get coverage because they don't want to pay premiums. than they need the coverage, but don't have it. the current system just put in place doesn't help make coverage more affordable, it's putting it more out of reach-even for people with coverage currently.

Single payer! Get rid of insurance companies and have the government hire all of the people that worked for them!!

We'll pay for it somehow! Fire up the printers, FED!! Woot woot!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Single payer! Get rid of insurance companies and have the government hire all of the people that worked for them!!

We'll pay for it somehow! Fire up the printers, FED!! Woot woot!

yeah, all the usps workers can go work there. i can't wait to see medical in action under the feds.

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, all the usps workers can go work there. i can't wait to see medical in action under the feds.

Well I know of 100,000 private sector folks who aren't going to be employed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...s-to-the-curb/

...and if the crooks save the day then they'll still face more pay cuts.

How exactly are consumers going to find the best plan when some companies offer over 100 choices? You think health insurance plans aren't complicated? What in the everliving f.uck is wrong with liberals? There will be so much fraud. But we're dealing with people that have no ability to foresee problems. Just throw s.hit on a wall and see if it sticks.

It's a disaster and stupid liberals like Riot and hi_i'm_zod will never get it. They are good servants and want to be controlled by tyrants.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well I know of 100,000 private sector folks who aren't going to be employed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...s-to-the-curb/

...and if the crooks save the day then they'll still face more pay cuts.

How exactly are consumers going to find the best plan when some companies offer over 100 choices? You think health insurance plans aren't complicated? What in the everliving f.uck is wrong with liberals? There will be so much fraud. But we're dealing with people that have no ability to foresee problems. Just throw s.hit on a wall and see if it sticks.

It's a disaster and stupid liberals like Riot and hi_i'm_zod will never get it. They are good servants and want to be controlled by tyrants.

i don't know how people are going to get coverage. they are driving up the costs with legislation, which will only be more of a burden for those who pay. those who can't, or won't (because i'm healthy, why do i need insurance? is their thinking) still won't pay.

agents and brokers are there to help people wade thru the insurance world. most people don't know much about insurance, or what they need-and for seniors, there are myriad rules regarding eligibility periods, etc. miss an enrollment, good luck pleading your case. throw yourself on the mercy of medicare, and see where that gets you. so, people will need help-who will be there to help them?
and boomers are about to start retiring-of course medicare won't cry much if some of them fall through the cracks because they don't know how, when or where to go about getting covered. do i need a? and b or not? what's part d? what supplement do i need?