selling picks

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #1 06-04-2006, 10:47 PM

well some may agree or disagree but i have ZERO respect for people who sell picks and none also for the people who buy them. if you are good enough to make a profit over a long haul then you do not need to sell picks, bottom line!.... and well if you are doing it"out of the good of your heart" then well you wouldnt charge any1 anything. im a pretty proficient handicapper myself and ive given out alotta winners to friends and people at the track as well as winners on this board and ive never asked, expected, or taken a dime from any1 whos made money off my picks. again some may agree or disagree just the way i feel

jpops757 · #2 06-05-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

well some may agree or disagree but i have ZERO respect for people who sell picks and none also for the people who buy them. if you are good enough to make a profit over a long haul then you do not need to sell picks, bottom line!.... and well if you are doing it"out of the good of your heart" then well you wouldnt charge any1 anything. im a pretty proficient handicapper myself and ive given out alotta winners to friends and people at the track as well as winners on this board and ive never asked, expected, or taken a dime from any1 whos made money off my picks. again some may agree or disagree just the way i feel

I have a similar opinion. Idont frequent this boad to get tickets to build my bets. I like to get info, not necessarly picks. Everyone need to make a living and if selling picks is there cup of tea more power to them. Im sure there are suckers out there that will pay for them. It appears that some are attempting to use this board for advertising of a product that they are attempting to sell. This board is begining to look more like roller derby or pro rasslin. I will continue to observe and make an occosional post. I am a horseracing fan and I dont have to cash tickets to keep being a fan. My ability to cash a ticket is a reward for me but not a necesity. There is a lot of knowledge here and if some feel we need to pay them for it so be it.

westcoastinvader · #3 06-05-2006, 03:57 AM

Cripes, people have been selling hard copy picks "real time" at the tracks for years.

Decades.

I personally never like to "tout," cause I never want anyone to lose money on my advice in case I am wrong. I'd be happy to share in advance, if I knew it was a "lock."

Of course, it's never a "lock."

I do like to hear and read what others predict, though.

I did realize a long long time ago that the TV prognosticators are right less often than I am. The newspaper guys, too.

But, I still like hear and read them.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #4 06-05-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

I have a similar opinion. Idont frequent this boad to get tickets to build my bets. I like to get info, not necessarly picks. Everyone need to make a living and if selling picks is there cup of tea more power to them. Im sure there are suckers out there that will pay for them. It appears that some are attempting to use this board for advertising of a product that they are attempting to sell. This board is begining to look more like roller derby or pro rasslin. I will continue to observe and make an occosional post. I am a horseracing fan and I dont have to cash tickets to keep being a fan. My ability to cash a ticket is a reward for me but not a necesity. There is a lot of knowledge here and if some feel we need to pay them for it so be it.

well i still dont condone selling picks under any circumstances, and i also dont feel sorry whatsoever to somebody whos idiotic enough to pay for picks and then cries when they lose their money

GPK · #5 06-05-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

well i still dont condone selling picks under any circumstances, and i also dont feel sorry whatsoever to somebody whos idiotic enough to pay for picks and then cries when they lose their money

John!!!!! Even the Terror of Tampa Bay!!!!! You wouldn't buy his touts???? He is unreal at giving out winners there

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #6 06-05-2006, 03:20 PM

lol no and speaking of tampa thats why me and MRBSAYS who passed away came to differences towards the end of his life..becuase he sold picks! kev i gave you gambler's prize over a week in advance this past january at turfway. he paid 26 bucks and i think you said you didnt get to bet the horse but had you did i wouldnta wanted a dime from you

Skip away · #7 06-05-2006, 03:48 PM

I agree totally disapperaingdan. People who sell tips need to reinvent themselves and find a real career. They must be real hard up. Imagine paying for information only to lose, when you could have just lost on your own thoughts? Kind of silly if you ask me.

GPK · #8 06-05-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

lol no and speaking of tampa thats why me and MRBSAYS who passed away came to differences towards the end of his life..becuase he sold picks! kev i gave you gambler's prize over a week in advance this past january at turfway. he paid 26 bucks and i think you said you didnt get to bet the horse but had you did i wouldnta wanted a dime from you

Johnny...you know I would NEVER ever consider sellings my picks. My handicapping isn't good enough for one reason. Another, that ain't my style. You know me better.

Seattleallstar · #9 06-05-2006, 03:55 PM

kev, you paid for my picks before and made yourself a forutne with them

Downthestretch55 · #10 06-05-2006, 03:58 PM

LMFAO!!!!!!
There's a line of guys outside the main gate at Toga every day!
They sell them cheap. I'm not kidding!
If that's the niche you get out of it, fine with me....join the line.
Many times, their capping is much worse than mine. More LOL!

I'd just rather pick my own.
At least I'm going with someone I can trust...and it's more of a thrill.
I don't need "beer money" that badly.

To each his own...use "expertise" to help yourself, or join the line of whores outside the gate that don't even bet their picks. LOL!

DTS

Skip away · #11 06-05-2006, 04:09 PM

Isnt that the whole point of following this crazy game? Why would you pay somebody else to have the fun part, which is picking the horses?

If you wanted to make money, theres this thing called getting a job. Theres also this thing called the stock market, which is a lot better to make money in the long run than trying to guess on horses.

These guys selling their picks are basically guessing.

Cajungator26 · #12 06-05-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip away

Isnt that the whole point of following this crazy game? Why would you pay somebody else to have the fun part, which is picking the horses?

If you wanted to make money, theres this thing called getting a job. Theres also this thing called the stock market, which is a lot better to make money in the long run than trying to guess on horses.

These guys selling their picks are basically guessing.

The stock market is a guessing game too... UNLESS you know a good advisor.

Seattleallstar · #13 06-05-2006, 04:10 PM

that would be me caj

Skip away · #14 06-05-2006, 04:14 PM

Over the long haul it is a lot safer than playing horses. Not necessarily as fun but safer if you have half a brain.

#15 06-05-2006, 04:15 PM

who wants to buy my belmont picks, please sign up here.

disappearingdan_akaplaya · #16 06-05-2006, 04:35 PM

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Johnny...you know I would NEVER ever consider sellings my picks. My handicapping isn't good enough for one reason. Another, that ain't my style. You know me better.

kev i know you wouldnt maybe you misunderstood i was never trying to insist that you would. have some confidence in yourself tho from what ive saw your handicapping skills arent bad at all and you have a huge passion for the sport. no matter how good you get at it the best advice i can give you is to stay humble and always remember in this game no matter how much you know theres always more to learn everyday even if youre the giant killer allan jerkins

#17 06-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Anyone ever have this experience?

At Santa Anita/Hollywood Park back in the 80's it was a regular experience while walking back to your car to find alleged "tout sheets" strewn about like trash after the 5th race.

Amazingly they would all seem to have the cold exacta in whichever race paid the most. And usually the daily double (only available on the 1st and 2nd races back then). They weren't stupid either. They would put a few losers in. Races 6-9 were always chalk plays.

I don't know who fell for this scam but even if 1/100 did that was more sales for the tout whenever the sucker returned.

This was back when you could buy tout sheets just inside the entrance to any SoCal track. They don't sell them anymore and amazingly the parking lots are a lot cleaner these days.

Thunder Gulch · #18 06-05-2006, 08:45 PM

There are a lot of guys too proud to buy information that never win at anything. Consider it like having a good stock broker, same thing to me. Now I'm not big on horse touts- that is really tough because it is based on value, which is a moving target. However, I've used a couple of sports pros for 10 years and make money all the time while the guys that scoff at paying for information put the bookies in new cars every football season.
I handicap races for myself, but I play horses for recreation, and while I expect to win, I'm smart enough to know that it is a very tough game to beat and the work required to be a winner isn't compatible with my family and career.

#19 06-06-2006, 07:06 AM

Playa and all,
Tip sheets have never been worth the paper that they are printed on. Several reasons why. First of all in order to market these sheets you have to print them or get them online the day before the actual races that are being played, this is why they are no good. The day before the races you have no idea what track conditions will be, can't think of anything more important than that. Secondly, late scratches are an absolute necessity when putting forth proper analysis. Late scratches can affect pace scenarios, rendering your initial analysis futile. For example, you handicap a race and expect a three horse speed duel which will set it up for a closer, one of the three horses scratches, now you conclude that the duel might not be as hot, and that the two speeds will go around the track together.

The information that is worth paying for is clocker info an trip notes and bias notes. Many who are "weekend warriors" do not get to see wekday races or simply don't have the time or memory to keep track of biases and trips at a lot of tracks. How much is it worth to pull up information about how a track was playing on a given day? Dead rails, speed biased good rails, bad trips that don't get the comment lines in the DRF charts that they deserve, etc.
Lets take a horse like Joint Effort this past saturday, the knowledge that her last number was accomplished on a dead rail was enough to push some folks oveer the top and bet her big. WIthout that knowledge it may have been a coin toss in a lot of folks minds between her and Pletcher's horse.
Its the subtleties that aren't in the DRF that make a difference these days in playing. Most people don't have the time or put in the effort to keep such notes, and truly benefit from that type of data and information, not from selectiosn made on tip sheet 36 hours before the race.

tap · #20 06-06-2006, 10:51 AM

Great post oracle, and 100% accurate.