Track privitization

[joeydb]

Let me ask an admittedly basic question:

Chris Christie says that he wants to get NJ government out of horse racing -- no subsidies.

Does that mean that he still would expect a privitized track to contribute the same amount in takeout minus operating costs to the state? Or are the profits also to be kept by private industry investors in such a plan?

If anyone finds details on what such a plan would mean, post it here please.

[randallscott35]

A mature industry shouldn't need subsidies. This isn't solar energy here. If horse racing can't make it in NJ, it shouldn't be there. The same for anywhere.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

A mature industry shouldn't need subsidies. This isn't solar energy here. If horse racing can't make it in NJ, it shouldn't be there. The same for anywhere.

Awesome non sequitur...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Let me ask an admittedly basic question:

Chris Christie says that he wants to get NJ government out of horse racing -- no subsidies.

Does that mean that he still would expect a privitized track to contribute the same amount in takeout minus operating costs to the state? Or are the profits also to be kept by private industry investors in such a plan?

If anyone finds details on what such a plan would mean, post it here please.

Joey,

There's no plan as of yet. But even privitized, the entity running MTH, (NJ racing properties, et al..), are subject to the state's skim ('taxation') in the form of takeout. Remember that the state will still regulate the sport/run a racing commission, etc., and takeout funds that as well as other state coffer projects..

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Awesome non sequitur...

Tell me why the public tax payer should pay to build a stadium or lose 10s of millions as the NS Expo does? I'm nothing if not consistent. And your responses to me are old. Sorry you disagree all the time. But your smartass **** is tiresome.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Joey,

There's no plan as of yet. But even privitized, the entity running MTH, (NJ racing properties, et al..), are subject to the state's skim ('taxation') in the form of takeout. Remember that the state will still regulate the sport/run a racing commission, etc., and takeout funds that as well as other state coffer projects..

Thanks Steve. That's about what I figured, but with all this talk of privitization being the only way to continue racing in NJ if the governor doesn't change his mind, I was wondering if the actual collection side for the state would change at all.

It might make a good incentive for a private firm if the skim was reduced so to allow more upside for the investors and possibly expand the field of bidders.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

NJ racing has contributed far more to the states coffers then it has "lost" and its not even close.

Really, how about some specifics? The harness track is bleeding money like you wouldn't believe. They are losing 10s of millions a year. Where does that come from exactly? Better, the Meadowlands original stadium is still not paid off, including the Harness track. It was all part of the expo authority which has failed miserably.

Operating budget needs to = Revs coming in

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

But your smartass **** is tiresome.

Coming from you? That's so great...!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Coming from you? That's so great...!

Harldy a smartass on here. Speak my mind. Give facts as opposed to fairy dust farts you offer.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by HomerS

NJ racing has contributed far more to the states coffers then it has "lost" and its not even close.

True. In fact I saw an article yesterday on Paulick Report or Equidaily -- one of them -- that reported that NJ Racing only started losing money at all after 2007, when the surrounding states were getting slots at their tracks, and NJ tracks were forbidden to do so by the State government.

That was also the rationale of the "subsidy" from A.C. -- that the casinos would pay the tracks not to put in slots.

[randallscott35]

How much more straightforward can this be?

“(The New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority) is out of money,” Hanson said. “It’s not the role of the state to subsidize but to work with the private sector.”

I love horse racing. But why should horse racing not have to stand on its own? So a homeless shelter or early start programs for kids aren't funded? These are things Christie is proposing.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...mission-report

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Politicians rolled over the Meadowlands debt. Not the tracks.

Hell it was the tracks revenue that helped build the original Giants stadium to begin with

Read joeydb's post.

Drinking cool aid of south jersey politicians with vested interests in "protecting" the casinos not best way to get informed about this issue.

How much takeout do you think the tracks have created for the state since they opened?

NOW is the issue, not then. There used to be 25k at the Big M on a Wednesday in the 70's....That's not today. I live in the NOW.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Harldy a smartass on here. Speak my mind. Give facts as opposed to fairy dust farts you offer.

You are indeed as big a smart ass as there is on here regularly delivering the most negative responses about anything and everything in the game.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

How much more straightforward can this be?

“(The New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority) is out of money,” Hanson said. “It’s not the role of the state to subsidize but to work with the private sector.”

I love horse racing. But why should horse racing not have to stand on its own? So a homeless shelter or early start programs for kids aren't funded? These are things Christie is proposing.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...mission-report

But it's OK for Trenton to subsidize the casinos for decades? That's OK?

Boosting racing interests via the casino skim has a positive influence on the state's economy that likely pays back the alleged subsidy.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You are indeed as big a smart ass as there is on here and regularly the most negative about anything and everything in the game.

The fact that you can't see the state of the game in its current state as broken is your own faulty thinking, not mine. I put my money where my mouth is. Including financially donating towards this site almost every year of its existence. Just as a token of appreciation for having it.

And what do I get exactly?

Basically the "canard police" around every corner. The fact that Frankel cheated, something Brown has said for years, wiped away if mentioned b/c he's either dead or a friend.

-talk about takeout, a canard
-talk about racing surviving in its current state, non sequior

I don't have a problem. I could give a **** if you have a problem with me. I'm honest to a T on here. There is an ignore button if you want to use it, go ahead. In the meantime, there are lots of people who agree with me wholeheartedly but won't post as much to upset the board cabal.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

But it's OK for Trenton to subsidize the casinos for decades? That's OK?

Boosting racing interests via the casino skim has a positive influence on the state's economy that likely pays back the alleged subsidy.

Where did I say it was OK to subsidize the casinos? No where. Get a grip. I am not for anything that is broken, including the dump that is AC.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The fact that you can't see the state of the game in its current state as broken is your own faulty thinking, not mine. I put my money where my mouth is. Including financially donating towards this site almost every year of its existence. Just as a token of appreciation for having it.

And what do I get exactly?

Basically the "canard police" around every corner. The fact that Frankel cheated, something Brown has said for years, wiped away if mentioned b/c he's either dead or a friend.

-talk about takeout, a canard
-talk about racing surviving in its current state, non sequior

I don't have a problem. I could give a **** if you have a problem with me. I'm honest to a T on here. There is an ignore button if you want to use it, go ahead. In the meantime, there are lots of people who agree with me wholeheartedly but won't post as much to upset the board cabal.

I'm not going to debate how I run my website with you. But what amounts to 'honest' evaluations about the game are open to debate of course. What you want to characterize as honest seems to invariably be a dour, angry or similarly negative interpretation of virtually everything that comes up.

[jms62]

Christie seems to owned by Atlantic City and those set to profit from the Xanadu debacle continuing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

NOW is the issue, not then. There used to be 25k at the Big M on a Wednesday in the 70's....That's not today. I live in the NOW.

Dude.. People used to gather on the steps of the Stock Exchange to buy stocks too. If you live in the NOW then why do you not see that attendence at the track is meaningless due to the technological changes in wagering.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Where did I say it was OK to subsidize the casinos? No where.

That's fine. But if it's a public policy discussion, which you tangetally initiated with the response to Joey's post, this side of the equation needs to brought to everyone's attention that is hearing the Governor's mouthpiece talk ONLY about racing as being subsidized.

http://www.drf.com/news/two-voices-r...ersey-horsemen

Ray Bateman's letter doesn't seem available anymore, but he laid out the outrageous series of expenditures Trenton has heeped on AC. Here's an excerpt:

"The state’s tax on casino revenues is one of the lowest in the nation and a little more than half the casino tax in Pennsylvania. Gov. Whitman had a $300 million tunnel and roadway built to the Borgata casino; Gov. Florio ‘ordered’ the Sports Authority to build and operate (always at a loss) a new $275 million convention center in Atlantic City; later the west hall of the old convention center was rebuilt by the same authority for more than $100 million; a special train for gamblers from Philadelphia to Atlantic City was bought and paid for at New Jersey expense and operates annually at a loss, as does the ACES train express from New York; two new bus terminals were built (for the casinos, of course); and the huge state police presence in Atlantic City was not totally paid for by the casinos. The Atlantic City airport was improved with state and federal funds. When casinos comp gamblers in their rooms they do not pay the state hotel room tax – a big number loss each year to the state. No question that the casinos have enjoyed sweetheart relationships with all past governors and legislatures. Sad, but true. And now they want more and are still unwilling to compromise on slots at the Meadowlands, or on help for the horse industry – both essentially North Jersey concerns.”