Majesticperfection - condylar fracture

[Sightseek]

Too bad.

http://www.drf.com/news/leg-fracture...areer-jeopardy

[mclem0822]

Man that is too bad! What a rough couple weeks it's been for both Satish and the Asmussen barn.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He pulled a Harbinger. Two supreme races than bust.

[richard]

Very unfortunate . He's a 4 year old and one hope's the bones are stronger at that age . Did MP have any prior problems ? I see he's had just 6 races and that he's 5x5 Raise A Native .

[Smooth Operator]

Another dirt speed freak cracks after a few starts

Shocking


Send him to the shed



And the beat goes on.................

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Another dirt speed freak cracks after a few starts

Shocking

The Saratoga dirt track is demanding this meet. Majestic Perfection, Kantharos, and Winslow Homer all ended their careers with big stakes wins this meet... but all of them didn't exactly have the most sturdy of pedigrees.

This dirt track will make a man out of horses. You're seeing horses struggling home like they're in quicksand.

On Wedensday, you had a fading maiden collapse on the track just after the wire. Two races later, Timber Reserve broke both sesamoids on the backstretch - was pulled up and had to be euthanized.

On Friday, you had a daily double of breakdowns in the first two races. Some longshot broke down in race #1 - and the favorite broke down in deep stretch in Race #2 .. Kent Desormeaux was injured as a result of that one.

Of course, everyone knows a track is at its safest when it's nice and slow and cushy like they've had this one. The more horses have to struggle to get around it - the safer it obviously is... because it means it's a lot less like a paved highway...or so they tell me.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Saratoga dirt track is demanding this meet. Majestic Perfection, Kantharos, and Winslow Homer all ended their careers with big stakes wins this meet... but all of them didn't exactly have the most sturdy of pedigrees.

This dirt track will make a man out of horses. You're seeing horses struggling home like they're in quicksand.

On Wedensday, you had a fading maiden collapse on the track just after the wire. Two races later, Timber Reserve broke both sesamoids on the backstretch - was pulled up and had to be euthanized.

On Friday, you had a daily double of breakdowns in the first two races. Some longshot broke down in race #1 - and the favorite broke down in deep stretch in Race #2 .. Kent Desormeaux was injured as a result of that one.

Of course, everyone knows a track is at its safest when it's nice and slow and cushy like they've had this one. The more horses have to struggle to get around it - the safer it obviously is... because it means it's a lot less like a paved highway...or so they tell me.

Desormeaux's horse had a heart attack for what it's worth.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Desormeaux's horse had a heart attack for what it's worth.

NT

I'm not really sure if that proves my point more or less ... but this whole idea that dirt tracks are so much safer when they're slower just looks like pure nonsense to me. If anything, you actually seem to see more of that stuff when it's slow than you do when cheap horses are flying around the track like nothing.

I can understand trainers wanting it like that for morning workouts - the horses loaf through workouts with no pressure and pick it up at the end. To win races on dirt though, you have to run very hard the whole way a lot of times - and horses decelerate sharply at the end of races. It seems like these slow tracks only make things a little tougher on them - and you have all these people who believe they actually help horses stay sound somehow.

[Kingturf]

I am reading all of this mess about people and their sick comments about horses and breaking down.

As a longtime racing fan, it's really sickening to read the garbage most people are typing out here. Not only we should thank the horses for running for our enjoyment, but for the owners who goes deep into their pocket to make an investment since the mid 1980's that will not allow them the same business write offs for loses as in the past.

Because of that most people do not have 6 month or a year to prepare a horse for the track. This is one of the reasons you are seeing many horses breaking down. While the tracks could be held blamed for the breakdowns of some horses.

I think back to one of the greatest breeders of all time; Mr. Paul Mellon, he believed you could not get top race horses by breeding for speed. His last top runner was Sea Hero and if you remembered he bloodline screamed stamina. While Sea Hero was not a great horse by today's standard, he could not win the Lexington at 1 1/16 but he won the Derby and Travers both at 1 1/4.

You look at most of the horses breaking down today, many are out of speed ball milers/sprinters. Most are retired by an age 3 or 4 when in the past, that was when most were making it to stake races.

I think back to The Green Monkey...the owners paid 16 Million for a horse out of Grand Reward and a Roar unraced mare. His breeding was not something that was a knockout bloodlines. But when you are seeing in-breeding within 3 generation on many of the sires today...soundness will become a problem.

We all have a duty to this game we all enjoy. This game pay the highest taxes, no write off's for the owners or investors, the tracks are being run by gaming officials instead of true horseracing people. There's no diversity in the running of this game, it's not regulated and to make it really shitty; these poor horses have only a few people watching out for them so they can enjoy a quality life after racing.

As a fan I am begging some of the people on this site to please donate some of your winnings toward the retirement home for the horses, give to the Mc Beth foundation and do something more than just cut down people.

If you have been following Steve show this spring and summer and did not make a profit...get the wax out of your ear and stop being stubborn. If you were able to make a profit, join some the people by watching out for the horses by clicking on a link and donate. Even if it's $10 per month, it's something....sorry I been rambling, but for some reason many things came into my mind when I started typing.

[Dahoss]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kingturf

I think back to The Green Monkey...the owners paid 16 Million for a horse out of Grand Reward and a Roar unraced mare.

What?

The Green Monkey was sired by Grand Reward? And The Green Monkey was out of an unraced Roar mare?

Grand Reward was a horse by Storm Cat out of Serena's Song that started his career in Europe and came to America and won the Oaklawn Park Handicap for Lukas.

The Green Monkey was sired by Forestry out of an Unbridled mare.

Originally Posted by Kingturf

sorry I been rambling, but for some reason many things came into my mind when I started typing.

I would say. Not sure what any of it has to do with slow tracks being safer.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What?

The Green Monkey was sired by Grand Reward? And The Green Monkey was out of an unraced Roar mare?

Grand Reward was a horse by Storm Cat out of Serena's Song that started his career in Europe and came to America and won the Oaklawn Park Handicap for Lukas.

The Green Monkey was sired by Forestry out of an Unbridled mare.

Please don't ruin this thread with facts!

[parsixfarms]

Both of the Asmussen horses suffered injuries from workouts over the Oklahoma training track (where Asmussen is stabled), not the main track. To the extent that I heard complaints about that surface, they have not been that the track's too slow or deep; rather, the complaints have been that the Oklahoma track has frequently been sealed and that it's a (historically) faster surface.

And the track that Winslow Homer ran over was not a slow, tiring surface.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Both of the Asmussen horses suffered injuries from workouts over the Oklahoma training track (where Asmussen is stabled), not the main track. To the extent that I heard complaints about that surface, they have not been that the track's too slow or deep; rather, the complaints have been that the Oklahoma track has frequently been sealed and that it's a (historically) faster surface.

And the track that Winslow Homer ran over was not a slow, tiring surface.

I've never heard the Oklahoma training center reffered to as a fast surface before. Was the horse that collapsed with Gary Stevens aboard in a workout on the Oklahoma or main?

I'm sure both tracks are fine... the whole point is that slower tracks aren't safer tracks. It's just something I've kind of noticed over and over.

You have had 14 different Graded Stakes editions run over the main track both this year and last year at distances of 6.5 furlongs or further.

All 14 editions of this years race has been run in slower time than last years edition of the same race. Basically, the track has been significantly slower of late than it was for most of last year. It's been much slower of par late - and my pars include several years.

In the last two weeks - there have been 7 different horses who've either been vanned off, collapsed after the wire, or suffered a heart attack in deep stretch. These seven were all from a race on the main track. Nothing to do with workouts or post-race injuries the next time they worked.

Yet the track is supposed to be as safe as ever because it's as slow as ever...

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've never heard the Oklahoma training center reffered to as a fast surface before. Was the horse that collapsed with Gary Stevens aboard in a workout on the Oklahoma or main?

I didn't say the Oklahoma is a "fast" surface; I said it was faster than it has been historically. In the past, if you had a horse break 50 seconds for a half over there, that horse was flying. That is not the case with the way the training track has been maintained the past couple of years.