Arc watch

my miss storm cat · #1 07-07-2009, 11:35 PM

It's never too early.

If Sea the Stars doesn't go? Keep an eye on Ms. Stacelita.

LADBROKES BETTING ON ARC WITHOUT STARS
By Press Association Sport Staff

Superstar three-year-old Sea The Stars

has been taken out of the betting for October's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp.

Connections stated an Arc bid was unlikely in the aftermath of the colt's Eclipse win last Saturday, and Ladbrokes have now decided to remove him from their market altogether.

Spokesman David Williams said: "We're far from convinced Sea The Stars will go to Paris in the autumn and have decided the prudent thing would be to leave him out of the betting for the time being."

Sea The Stars, winner of the 2000 Guineas and Derby, had been the 7-2 market leader but Aidan O'Brien's Irish Derby hero Fame and Glory now leads the betting at 4-1.

Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Ladbrokes bet: 4-1 Fame And Glory, 5-1 Stacelita

, 12-1 Vision D'Etat, 14-1 Beheshtam, Conduit, Tartan Bearer, 20-1 bar.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/n...ACING_Arc.html

my miss storm cat · #2 07-12-2009, 01:11 PM

Possible...

Buena Vista (her replays can be found on the Japan racing thread)...

Oh here's one (in English)...

http://jra.jp/datafile/seiseki/g1/en...oaks2009_h.asx

Sariska...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...ks-win/607933/

CSC · #3 07-26-2009, 11:06 AM

Roughly 4-1 on Sea The Stars at this point, personally from what I have seen of him. I love him.

Vision D'tat is a healthy 10+/1. Like/love him also.

Haven't seen much of Prix de Diane winner Stacelita(I can dig something up) but she seems to be all the rave, can a filly do it 2 yrs in a row? Why not..

Edit-Seen her race, one word Wow...

CSC · #4 07-27-2009, 01:10 PM

Fame And Glory looked good in last, but is probably going to be overbet.

my miss storm cat · #5 08-17-2009, 09:46 AM

Getaway, who was 2nd in the Rheinland-Pokal this weekend...

(If he runs, this will be his third time in the Arc).

NoChanceToDance · #6 08-17-2009, 05:41 PM

Hope Sea The Stars won't go here, likelyhood of softer ground over twelve furlongs could be a real issue for him.

Fillies division looks pretty weak to me this year, so I'm wary of the likes of Sariska who keeps doing things ever so easily.

my miss storm cat · #7 09-11-2009, 12:41 PM

Sunday...

4ème(P/ 890) QATAR PRIX VERMEILLE , le 13.09.2009, LONGCHAMP
GROUPE I , PLAT, 2.400 mètres, corde à DROITE. ( 171.420, 68.580, 34.290, 17.130, 8.580) Après Partants: 25 Engagés. 5 Forfaits. 6 Non-Déclarés-Partants. 1 Annulation-de-Partant. 13 Partants Définitifs. Offre de paris : Classic Tiercé,Trio, Quadrio

Pour pouliches et juments de 3 ans et au-dessus. Poids: 3ans, 54 k.1/2; 4 ans et au-dessus, 58 k.1/2. Versement à la poule des propriétaires: 1.600 à l'engagement ou 18.000 à l'engagement le 10 septembre. Un souvenir sera offert au Propriétaire, à l'Entraineur, au Jockey et au Cavalier d'entrainement de la pouliche gagnante par Son Excellence Cheikh Mohammed bin Faleh Al-Thani, Vice-President du Qatar Racing & Equestrian Club. Une couverture sera remise à la pouliche gagnante.

PMU * Horse Sire / Dam Draw Owner Silks Trainer Jockey Weight Weight Purse Music Claiming Rating Blink. Coupled Breeders
01 P1 umirage gb f.ps. 4 ans Par: MONSUN et UNGARIN (GOOFALIK) 10 ECURIE ROETTGEN BLEU-CLAIR M JAUNES BRASSARDSBLEU-CLAIR T ROUGE H. BLUME THIERRY THULLIEZ 58,5 19500 4p5p 5p(08)3p9p3p1p 000 ECURIE ROETTGEN
02 P2 armure gb f.ps. 4 ans Par: DALAKHANI et BOMBAZINE (GENEROUS) 07 SCEA HARAS DE SAINT PAIR BLANCHE UN CHEVRON MARRON T ORANGE A.DE ROYER DUPRE GERALD MOSSE 58,5 137627 1p1p1p 5p3p(08)8p6p1p1 000 MLLE SJ. LEIGH, RS. LEIGH
03 P2 dar re mi gb f.ps. 4 ans Par: SINGSPIEL et DARARA (TOP VILLE) 03 LORD LLOYD WEBBER ROSE ECHARPE GRISE M ET T ROSES J. GOSDEN JIMMY FORTUNE 58,5 570839 1p1p 2p(08)3p2p2p1p 1p 515 WATERSHIP DOWN STUD
04 P2 tangaspeed f.ps. 4 ans Par: VERTICAL SPEED et FITANGA (FIJAR TANGO) 13 R.PIRES/L.GAGNEUX CHEVRONNEE BLANC ET GROS-BLEUT ROUGE ROB. LAPLANCHE LANFRANCO DETTORI 58,5 103780 4p9p4p3p(08)4p4p5p4p 1 460 MME L. GAGNEUX
05 P1 tres rapide (ire) f.ps. 4 ans Par: ANABAA BLUE et TRES RAVI (MONSUN) 06 HORST RAPP BLANCHE M GROS-BLEU T ORANGE HA. PANTALL DOMINIQUE BOEUF 58,5 160000 3p6p2p2p(08)0p3p2p2p 4 510 CHEVOTEL DE LA HAUQUERIE
06 P2 la boum ger f.ps. 6 ans Par: MONSUN et LA BOUCHE (IN THE WINGS) 12 EMMANUEL TRUSSARDI BLEU-CL CR DE LORRAINE ET BRASS JAUNES T RAY JAUNE & BLEU-CL R. COLLET (S) THIERRY JARNET 58,5 229075 3p5p3p4p2p9p(08)1p6p6 495 GESTUT KARLSHOF
07 P2 becqu adoree f.ps. 3 ans Par: NOMBRE PREMIER et L'ETOILE LA LUNE (GROOM DANCER) 04 ECURIE CAMACHO COURSES BLANCHE 3 LOSANGES GROS-VERT T.BLANCHE 1 LOSANGE GR-VERT MME G. LECOMTE FRANCK BLONDEL 54,5 81850 1p3p 3p3p(08)1p1p1p 465 B. BECQUART
08 P2 board meeting (ire) f.ps. 3 ans Par: ANABAA et BRIGHT MOON (ALYSHEBA) 11 ECURIE WILDENSTEIN BLEUE T BLEU-CLAIR E. LELLOUCHE ANTHONY CRASTUS 54,5 100280 1p5p2p1p(08)2p 510 DAYTON INVESTMENTS LTD
09 P1 soberania ger f.ps. 3 ans Par: MONSUN et SASUELA (DASHING BLADE) 02 GESTUT KARLSHOF NOIRE ECHARPE BLEU-CLAIR & ROUGE M BLEU-CLAIR T ROUGE A. WOHLER JOHAN VICTOIRE 54,5 97000 2p5p4p 1p 000

10 P2 stacelita

f.ps. 3 ans Par: MONSUN et SOIGNEE (DASHING BLADE) 09 M.SCHWARTZ/ECURIE MONASTIC ORANGE TROIS POIS BLEUS M & TORANGE POIS BLEUS JC. ROUGET (S) CHRISTOPHE-PATRICE LEMAIRE 54,5 641470 1p1p1p1p(08)1p 525 1 JPJ. DUBOIS
11 VOLVER (IRE) F.PS. 3 ans Par: DANEHILL DANCER et CHANTELEAU (A P INDY) 01 MARTIN SCHWARTZ ORANGE TROIS POIS BLEUS M & TORANGE POIS BLEUS JC. ROUGET (S) IORITZ MENDIZABAL 54,5 20050 1p5p 1p4p 350 1 ID. FAIR
12 P2 kalla gb f.ps. 3 ans Par: MONSUN et KITTIWAKE (BARATHEA) 08 BARON GEORG VON ULLMANN JAUNE CROIX DE SAINT-ANDRE ETM BLEUES T BLANCHE A. FABRE MAXIME GUYON 54,5 90875 1p3p1p1p 000 GESTUT SCHLENDERHAN
13 P1 plumania (gb) f.ps. 3 ans Par: ANABAA et FEATHERQUEST (RAINBOW QUEST) 05 WERTHEIMER & FRERE BLEUE COUTURES BLANCHES M ET T. BLANCHES A. FABRE OLIVIER PESLIER 54,5 164120 3p3p5p 2p(08)4p1p4p 480 WERTHEIMER & FRERE

my miss storm cat · #8 09-13-2009, 11:49 AM

Full results...

http://horses.sportinglife.com/Results/

Lord Andrew Lloyd Webbers Dar Re Mi DQ'd, Stacelita wins.

brockguy · #9 09-13-2009, 01:31 PM

one of the worst DQs Ive ever seen.. Stacelita and her pacemaker should have been thrown out if Dar Re Mi was. Just no consistency..

SundayStar · #10 09-13-2009, 03:11 PM

home cookin dq

NoChanceToDance · #11 09-13-2009, 05:51 PM

Heard it was bad, but you come to expect it in France. Once again, it just goes to show that these younger fillies just aren't really up to it this year. I'm certainly not getting carried away with them at this stage

CSC · #12 09-14-2009, 11:03 AM

I saw the replay and it was the worst decision I have seen yet.

CSC · #13 09-14-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Heard it was bad, but you come to expect it in France. Once again, it just goes to show that these younger fillies just aren't really up to it this year. I'm certainly not getting carried away with them at this stage

Certainly when you compare her(Stacelita) to Zarkava, which isn't an easy act to follow, it looked like her stablemate was in there so that she would have someone to draft behind and it looked like she took the lead too soon, the race really set up for Dar Re Mi who found a seem late and was produced by Fortune at the perfect time. It's just unfortunate the stewards had to overshadow the result.

brockguy · #14 09-14-2009, 01:35 PM

for anyone who wants to see it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omn4ebLJoLY forgive the French..

CSC · #15 09-14-2009, 01:49 PM

I wish there were a head on at 2:12, this is where the trouble looked to be.

CSC · #16 10-01-2009, 09:08 AM

So it's the first Sunday in Oct, which means it's Arc time.

Some crib notes:

Stacelita and the well-fancied Cavalryman have been added to the field for Sunday's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at a cost of 100,000 euros.

MICK KINANE believes Sea The Stars is as strong now as he has been at any stage this season as he bids for glory in Sunday's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.

"I've been to sit on the horse this morning and he's in good shape," said the 50-year-old jockey. "You would hope a few horses come out of the race to make it a handier field but we'll have to see. Tactically we'll just have to see what horses are running and look at the draw."

Sariska has not been added because of the prospect of fairly quick ground, while Alpine Rose was withdrawn.

A total of 24 horses remain in the prestigious event at the latest forfeit stage, with Fame And Glory one of six possible contenders for Aidan O'Brien.

my miss storm cat · #17 10-01-2009, 11:34 AM

Thanks for updating... haven't been around.

Some of the other runners...

1 youmzain ire m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 565 JABEER ABDULLAH MR. CHANNON 1.733.565
2 conduit ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 000 BALLYMACOLL STUD FARM LTD SIR MR. STOUTE 2.393.723
3 vision d'etat m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 555 JACQUES DETRE E. LIBAUD 1.571.975
4 magadan ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 515 ECURIE WILDENSTEIN E. LELLOUCHE 170.670
5 the bogberry usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 515 SERGEY EFROS A.DE ROYER DUPRE 199.625
6 steele tango usa m.ps. 4 ans P1 59,5 000 THE THIRTY ACRE RACING PARTNE RA. TEAL 90.690
7 getaway ger m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 550 BARON GEORG VON ULLMANN J. HIRSCHBERGER 493.446
8 TULLAMORE USA M.PS. 4 ans 59,5 000 YOKO CZ S.R.O. Z. KOPLIK 75.624
9 hot six brz m.ps. 4 ans P2 59 000 ESTRELA ENERGIA STABLES G. DUARTE 204.958
10 dar re mi gb f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 515 LORD LLOYD WEBBER J. GOSDEN 577.266
11 tangaspeed f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 460 R.PIRES/MME L.GAGNEUX ROB. LAPLANCHE 103.780
12 la boum ger f.ps. 6 ans P2 58 495 EMMANUEL TRUSSARDI R. COLLET (S) 140.475
13 beheshtam m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 495 S.A. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 158.750
14 set sail ire m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 000 D.SMITH/M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 116.213
15 fame and glory gb m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 505 D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 1.572.319
16 cavalryman gb m.ps. 3 ans ... (supp) P2 56 535 GODOLPHIN SNC A. FABRE 495.240
17 JOHANN ZOFFANY GB M.PS. 3 ans 56 000 M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 39.036
18 grand ducal ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 000 MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 120.083
19 sea the stars ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 000 CHRISTOPHER TSUI J. OXX 2.319.648
20 stacelita f.ps. 3 ans ... (supp) P2 54,5 525 M.SCHWARTZ/ECURIE MONASTIC JC. ROUGET (S) 812.890

On the Prix d'Abbaye... I'm sure some would disagree but i think it's a stellar field (Benbaun, Tax Free, Equiano, Reverence, War Artist, etc).

NoChanceToDance · #18 10-01-2009, 07:30 PM

For a long time I've been concerned about the prospect of Sea The Stars running in The Arc. Thankfully, the ground hasn't come up soft. I'm still not 100% sure how he'll cope with a strongly run race over the 12 furlong distance, though.

If he's going to be beaten this season it'll be on Sunday.

BUT......

The horse I'd take would be Conduit, as everything looks spot on for him there. Can he give 7lbs to Sea The Stars though? Doubtful.

A very interesting race, but I couldn't be having a bet.

CSC · #19 10-02-2009, 09:03 AM

As of this morning,

Arc De Triomphe Odds Comparison(2nd from left is Ladbrokes odds)

Sea The Stars 4/6 4/6 4/6 4/6 4/6 4/6 8/11
Fame And Glory 11/2 11/2 5 11/2 5 11/2 5
Conduit 9 8 7 8 15/2 8 7
Cavalryman 12 12 10 12 12 12 12
Vision DEtat 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
Stacelita 14 14 12 14 14 14 14
Dar Re Mi 20 16 20 22 14 20 20
Youmzain 20 16 20 16 20 20 20
Getaway 25 25 16 25 25 25 25
Beheshtam 33 33 25 28 33 33 33

my miss storm cat · #20 10-02-2009, 09:08 AM

I'm hoping for Sea the Stars / Stacelita / Youmzain

* * *

RP...

Sea The Stars drawn in stall six for Sunday's Arc
By Andrew Scutts10.07AM 2 OCT 2009
SEA THE STARS has been drawn in gate six for the Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe. Fame And Glory has stall ten and Conduit is drawn 12.

Nineteen runners will go to post for the world's richest turf race at Longchamp on Sunday, after Johann Zoffany was the only absentee at Friday's final declaration stage.

If recent results are anything to go by, connections of Sea The Stars will be delighted with the draw, as two of the last four winners, Dylan Thomas (2007) and Hurricane Run (2005), were victorious in the race from stall six.

The Mick Channon-trained Youmzain, who will race in a visor, has been handed a tricky draw in stall one. Although Zarkava won the Arc from stall one last year, her victory was the first from the lowest draw since Prince Royal in 1964.

Godolphin's Cavalryman also has work to do to overcome the widest draw in 19.

Dar Re Mi, who was disqualified in the Prix Vermeille last month, will race from stall two. The promoted winner of that race, Stacelita, has been drawn 16, which may not be ideal for a filly who likes to race prominently, as the stall numbers go from low against the rail to high on the outside (the opposite to Britain).

The classy Vision D'Etat has a decent draw in nine, while Aidan O'Brien's two pacesetters, Set Sail and Grand Ducal, will race from stalls 14 and five respectively.

Barrier in ( )...

Sunday October 4 2009
Longchamp 15:15

Qatar Prix De L'arc De Triomphe (group 1)
€4120000.00 added, 3yo plus, 1m 3f 204y, €2284540.00 penalty
19 runners
Going: N/A

No. Form Horse Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR NagMe Bet
1 (1) 32-4233 Youmzain (IRE) 28 6 9-5 M R Channon S M Levey SP SP SP
2 (12) 111-231 Conduit (IRE) 71 4 9-5 Sir Michael Stoute R L Moore SP SP SP
3 (9) 15-3112 Vision D'etat (FR) 21 4 9-5 E Libaud O Peslier SP SP SP
4 (17) 03-1135 Magadan (IRE) 98 4 9-5 E Lellouche A Crastus SP SP SP
5 (18) 34-2555 The Bogberry (USA) 28 4 9-5 A de Royer Dupre M Kappushev SP SP SP
6 (7) 243785 Steele Tango (USA) 92 4 9-5 R A Teal D Holland SP SP SP
7 (3) 88-2121 Getaway (GER) 28 6 9-5 J Hirschberger S Pasquier SP SP SP
8 (13) 1334-77 Tullamore (USA) 133 4 9-5 Z Koplik V Janacek SP SP SP
9 (4) 22-1125 Hot Six (BRZ) 63 4 9-4 G Duarte T Pereira SP SP SP
10 (2) 23-2110 Dar Re Mi 21 4 9-2 J H M Gosden J Fortune SP SP SP
11 (11) 349409 Tangaspeed (FR) 21 4 9-2 R Laplanche I Mendizabal SP SP SP
12 (8) 924353 La Boum (GER) 42 6 9-2 Rob collet T Jarnet SP SP SP
13 (15) 11462 Beheshtam (FR) 21 3 8-11 A de Royer Dupre G Mosse SP SP SP
14A (14) 000239 Set Sail (IRE) 29 3 8-11 A P O'Brien S M Levey SP SP SP
15A (10) 1-11212 Fame And Glory 29 3 8-11 A P O'Brien J P Murtagh SP SP SP
16 (19) 1-42111 Cavalryman 21 3 8-11 A Fabre L Dettori SP SP SP
17A (5) 1243-14 Grand Ducal (IRE) 29 3 8-11 A P O'Brien P J Smullen SP SP SP
18 (6) 1-11111 Sea The Stars (IRE) 29 3 8-11 J M Oxx M J Kinane SP SP SP
19 (16) 1-11111 Stacelita (FR) 21 3 8-8 J C Rouget C P Lemaire SP SP SP