"Dancing Northern" Then West to East With Javier Castellano

[docicu3]

Castellano's battering ride in the "Dancer" has to be seen to be believed.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...o-just-as-well


Woodbine has the right attitude about kamakaze jocks who ruin races like this one and should tack on a sizable vacation for JC later this week.

JC's mount "Marsh Side" was taken down and placed 4th from 1st after veering across 5-6 paths bumping at least 3 different horses at various parts of a stretch drive that ruined the placings of an otherwise evenly contested 12F G1.

What's the longest number of days a jock has been given for a bowling ball ride like this one?

[CSC]

It was the correct call, what Javier did was inexcusable he showed no regard for the safety of the other riders and horses. The book should be thrown at him for this one.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was the correct call, what Javier did was inexcusable he showed no regard for the safety of the other riders and horses. The book should be thrown at him for this one.

I agree but how much time should he get..

[VOL JACK]

......as The Fat Man was saying.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

......as The Fat Man was saying.

To be consistent though I don't usually have many agreements with TFM but this time he is dead on......the guys a successful turf jock but he'd kill many a passenger as an airline pilot!!

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...source=twitter

Easy call for the stews. No excuse for an experienced rider to continue to veer in while continuing to hit right handed.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was the correct call, what Javier did was inexcusable he showed no regard for the safety of the other riders and horses. The book should be thrown at him for this one.

Oh bullshit! It wasn't that bad.The guy was trying to win the race.You armchair "Experts" all think it is so easy for these guys to move these horses around.Lose the weight and get on one yourself and try it out and get back to us all since you think it is so easy.Then we'll sit and throw books at you! It's the same thing over and over on this forum.A trainer wins,you all say he's cheating.A jockey goes a few lanes over,you all think he should be banned for life.Whatever is politically correct to say,you all jump on the bandwagon!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Oh bullshit! It wasn't that bad.The guy was trying to win the race.You armchair "Experts" all think it is so easy for these guys to move these horses around.Lose the weight and get on one yourself and try it out and get back to us all since you think it is so easy.Then we'll sit and throw books at you! It's the same thing over and over on this forum.A trainer wins,you all say he's cheating.A jockey goes a few lanes over,you all think he should be banned for life.Whatever is politically correct to say,you all jump on the bandwagon!

A few lanes? If it was just Quijano who was bothered, then I might let it go. Unfortunately, it wasn't that way. In Dubai, they let Castellano go with just a warning. Do you remember that? They called him in for a reason. Evidently, he didn't learn, and that's also very unfortunate.This isn't Louisiana. He can do this down there, and they will do nothing. He has options.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

A few lanes? If it was just Quijano who was bothered, then I might let it go. Unfortunately, it wasn't that way. In Dubai, they let Castellano go with just a warning. Evidently, he didn't learn, and that's also very unfortunate.This isn't Louisiana. He can do this down there, and they will do nothing. He has options.

Well,he has a LOT more experience riding than you,or any of the other "Experts" will ever have in your lives,so your opinions mean nothing until you do it yourself or you "get in the booth".

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Well,he has a LOT more experience riding than you,or any of the other "Experts" will ever have in your lives,so your opinions mean nothing until you do it yourself or you "get in the booth".

You're right about my opinion not mattering. Problem is the Stewards say you're wrong. Their opinion matters. Fact is what he did is against the rules. They can choose to overlook it if he didn't bother a horse with run. In this case, a horse had run. They think what he did affected the order of finish. It's not that hard to see if you are objectively looking at it. It's a 2 step process that doesn't include deducing whether I have ridden enough.

1) Did a foul occur? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then move to question number two.

2) Did the foul keep a horse from having a better placing? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then disqualify the horse.

Which of these two questions did you answer "no" to, or are you just unconcerned with rules etc.?

[Round Pen]

I agree it was the Correct call But it wasn't as severe as most here are claiming, THe Stewards Looked at this For quite awhile before Making their Descision, That alone should tell everyone that it wasn't that Cut and Dry.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Oh bullshit! It wasn't that bad.The guy was trying to win the race.You armchair "Experts" all think it is so easy for these guys to move these horses around.Lose the weight and get on one yourself and try it out and get back to us all since you think it is so easy.Then we'll sit and throw books at you! It's the same thing over and over on this forum.A trainer wins,you all say he's cheating.A jockey goes a few lanes over,you all think he should be banned for life.Whatever is politically correct to say,you all jump on the bandwagon!

All the riders are trying to win, that is not the point, there are a set of rules in place to:

1. protect the wagering public.
2. adhere safety to the horses and Jockies.
3. Allow all horses a fair chance to win the race.

Champs Elysees probably would have at worst been in a photo to win yesterday if not for the interference, Quijano was cost atleast 1/2 + lengths, no one said riding is easy but when you have a tendency to resort to these sort of tactics and you are considered a very exp rider, an example must be set. Or else you are inviting open season out there on the track. It was absolutely the correct call, unfortunately Drysdale, Marshside and his backers are the one's that paid for JC's braincramp.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Well,he has a LOT more experience riding than you,or any of the other "Experts" will ever have in your lives,so your opinions mean nothing until you do it yourself or you "get in the booth".

I always love this line of reasoning. You can't criticize something unless you've done it professionally.

[randallscott35]

Hey Canadian stewards can actually follow the rules. Maybe some in the states can take lessons.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

I agree it was the Correct call But it wasn't as severe as most here are claiming, THe Stewards Looked at this For quite awhile before Making their Descision, That alone should tell everyone that it wasn't that Cut and Dry.

All it tells me is that in a G1, high purse race they wanted to take their time and get it right.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by CSC

All the riders are trying to win, that is not the point, there are a set of rules in place to:

1. protect the wagering public.
2. adhere safety to the horses and Jockies.
3. Allow all horses a fair chance to win the race.

Rules 2 and 3 sure, but stewards are never acting to protect the wagering public when it comes to DQs in my opinion.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by CSC

All the riders are trying to win, that is not the point, there are a set of rules in place to:

1. protect the wagering public.
2. adhere safety to the horses and Jockies.
3. Allow all horses a fair chance to win the race.

Champs Elysees probably would have at worst been in a photo to win yesterday if not for the interference, Quijano was cost atleast 1/2 + lengths, no one said riding is easy but when you have a tendency to resort to these sort of tactics and you are considered a very exp rider, an example must be set. Or else you are inviting open season out there on the track. It was absolutely the correct call, unfortunately Drysdale, Marshside and his backers are the one's that paid for JC's braincramp.

I'm not criticizing the call by the stewards.I'm criticizing YOU,and your statement of "They should throw the book at him",To which I say Bullshit!
It's fine they took him down,as a matter of fact,I had money with the 8 horse.You just make it sound like he did this intentionally,and that he does this all the time.Javier Castellano is a VERY professional jockey,he rides for top stables,and is VERY good at what he does.To "Throw the book at him" for an infraction like yesterdays is stupid.The stupid jockey's in the race were Starke and Gomez,who knew this horse was fading inward and made an attempt to try and get past him and failed.The smart one was LeParoux,who saw what was unfolding and went outside.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I agree but how much time should he get..

Jimmy Fortune was suspended 3 days on Dar Re Mi for something far less obvious, I would give him 5-7 days to start pending what he has done in his career. In racing a missed weekend of stakes races is a good place to start, in the workplace we have a thing called 'progressive discipline' as the accumulation of offenses increases the harsher the penalties.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're right about my opinion not mattering. Problem is the Stewards say you're wrong. Their opinion matters. Fact is what he did is against the rules. They can choose to overlook it if he didn't bother a horse with run. In this case, a horse had run. They think what he did affected the order of finish. It's not that hard to see if you are objectively looking at it. It's a 2 step process that doesn't include deducing whether I have ridden enough.

1) Did a foul occur? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then move to question number two.

2) Did the foul keep a horse from having a better placing? If no, then keep the initial order of finish. If yes, then disqualify the horse.

Which of these two questions did you answer "no" to, or are you just unconcerned with rules etc.?

Read CSC's first post,then read my first post again.Maybe you will understand better

[CSC]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Rules 2 and 3 sure, but stewards are never acting to protect the wagering public when it comes to DQs in my opinion.

You won't get an argument from me on that one.