Pioneer...

[Ogygian]

Not sure if this was asked yet or not...Did he stop, get hurt or just have nothing left? He looked as if he was going to make his move, then it looked like a bunch of bumping, then he just stopped.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Ogygian

Not sure if this was asked yet or not...Did he stop, get hurt or just have nothing left? He looked as if he was going to make his move, then it looked like a bunch of bumping, then he just stopped.

Or how about hated dirt

[jwkniska]

from what I read, they said the horse was just tired and they never should have run him back without more time off.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

from what I read, they said the horse was just tired and they never should have run him back without more time off.

Or he hated dirt because everything that was said was he was in great shape and couldn't be doing any better.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Scav

Or he hated dirt because everything that was said was he was in great shape and couldn't be doing any better.

Those misleading dapples!!

[jballscalls]

he never looked good in the Preakness. even going up the backstretch you could tell he wasnt going easy and the minute the jockey asked for anything he got nothing.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

Or he hated dirt because everything that was said was he was in great shape and couldn't be doing any better.

that may well be a part of it, but heard them say afterward that the whole great shape stuff before the preakness was a bunch of smokescreen b s, which alot of people bought into.

now... if he tanks in say the travers or haskell... then it's a certain he didn't like dirt.

[Bobby Fischer]

he likes dirt fine, watch the race

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

that may well be a part of it, but heard them say afterward that the whole great shape stuff before the preakness was a bunch of smokescreen b s, which alot of people bought into.

now... if he tanks in say the travers or haskell... then it's a certain he didn't like dirt.

As opposed to this bunch of smokescreen b s that you are buying into?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

that may well be a part of it, but heard them say afterward that the whole great shape stuff before the preakness was a bunch of smokescreen b s, which alot of people bought into.

now... if he tanks in say the travers or haskell... then it's a certain he didn't like dirt.

wait...he wasn't in good shape, so they lied and said he was, and ran him knowing he was in bad shape? that makes NO sense.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Scav

Or he hated dirt because everything that was said was he was in great shape and couldn't be doing any better.

That's what happens when reading Steve Haskin. Ten years ago the guy had a good eye and made some sense. Now he's too worried about stepping on any toes by calling out a horse that doesn't look that good. Needs to keep those ties to the trainers so he can write another vanilla book. He had the audacity after the Derby to say he mentioned Mine That Bird looking great before the Derby. He did, but he said the same thing about 15 others. When you heap praise on the entire field than go back to take credit, you have zero credit in my book....

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by Scav

Or he hated dirt because everything that was said was he was in great shape and couldn't be doing any better.

maybe he's just slow...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by smuthg

maybe he's just slow...

Slow and hated dirt, now that is a combo