4/25 (AQU): Withers S. (Gr. III)

[Sightseek]

9TH (4:50) Withers S. (G3)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 This Ones for Phil Dominguez R A 123 L
2 Gone Astray Prado E S 116 L
3 Seal Team Elliott S 118 L
4 Supreme Summit Coa E M 116 L
5 Mr. Fantasy Migliore R 116 L
6 Everyday Heroes Caraballo J C 118 L
7 Just a Coincidence Velasquez C 116 L

Not a bad line-up compared to the last few years.

[packerbacker7964]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Aqueduct - April 25th, 2009 - Race 9
Withers S. - Grade: 3
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:50 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $150,000
Distance: One Mile
Surface: Dirt

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name

1 This Ones for Phil (FL) 3 Gelding 123 Ramon A. Dominguez
2 Gone Astray (KY) 3 Colt 116 Edgar S. Prado
3 Seal Team (FL) 3 Colt 118 Stewart Elliott
4 Supreme Summit (KY) 3 Colt 116 Eibar Coa
5 Mr. Fantasy (NY) 3 Colt 116 Richard Migliore
6 Everyday Heroes (KY) 3 Colt 118 Jose C. Caraballo
7 Just a Coincidence (KY) 3 Colt 116 Cornelio H. Velasqu

Not a bad line-up compared to the last few years.

TOFP will be in for a good race from Everyday Heroes. Watched this one race at Oaklawn and he's the real deal. Never asked for run in any of his first couple of races. 6f with ease and the one turn mile at the Duct should help him with the longer distance. Watch out!!!!!!!!

[zippyneedsawin]

solid field.

[basement bob]

this ones for phil wins for fun.

[philcski]

Was there really any question who had to win this race on karma?

The racing gods took'eth away last week, they gaveth back this week.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Call me atheistic and all...

But the Dominguez God took'eth way back, and gaveth the race away.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Call me atheistic and all...

But the Dominguez God took'eth way back, and gaveth the race away.

Fallacy

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah - I know - you still think Daaher is better than Midnight Lute.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Call me atheistic and all...

But the Dominguez God took'eth way back, and gaveth the race away.

I didn't see the race until this morning but I feel like TOFP probably doesn't want to go a mile, so he did what he could to try to get him to go the distance.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

A mile is a perfect distance for him .. he has a lot of speed and wants a target ... that's why the rail post is so tricky. You can't send with a horse like him - but if you neglect to use your speed and take back you can find yourself behind a total crawl.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah - I know - you still think Daaher is better than Midnight Lute.

Is that really the best you can do? Daaher beat ML when they met. All the rest is supposition.

Stick to giving out the CHALK Indian Blessing exacta in Dubai.

You lost credibility with me after your assessment of the Gotham. Slow pace, huh?

Take it up a ****in notch already, will you.

[Bobby Fischer]

The race was over 20 seconds out of the gate when that cheap ass O'Neill horse went insane, and the duel which the others spotted 3 lengths to run down never materialized.

who knows who is better.

a decent speed horse is supposed to win an uncontested 1-turn mile.

TOFP didn't freak the way that he did in the SunMillions,Foy, and Swale. Blame it on the law of diminishing returns with "juice", or the track, but he ran a credible race considering that the winner had a cakewalk and he had to slide between the rail and a rival.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Is that really the best you can do? Daaher beat ML when they met. All the rest is supposition.

Stick to giving out the CHALK Indian Blessing exacta in Dubai.

You lost credibility with me after your assessment of the Gotham. Slow pace, huh?

Take it up a ****in notch already, will you.

I award you four Snickers bars.

[blackthroatedwind]

This One's For Phil was easily best yesterday.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This One's For Phil was easily best yesterday.

We really need to discuss this. When all the other horses were running, this guy was drafting inside. Doesn't it follow that he'd have some run late, since all the others had run before him?

On a more interesting note, I made my 1st bet of the year at WO. Now, that's interesting racing.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

We really need to discuss this. When all the other horses were running, this guy was drafting inside. Doesn't it follow that he'd have some run late, since all the others had run before him?

I was watching the race with Stevie Wonder. Even he thought TO4P was best in that race. Terrible ride, terrible post, was running best at the end, and had to make multiple moves.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

We really need to discuss this. When all the other horses were running, this guy was drafting inside. Doesn't it follow that he'd have some run late, since all the others had run before him?

Actually, as the race unfolded, he was held up behind horses, and unable to make a move....while Mr. Fantasy was gaining an insurmountable advantage. The race was basically decided on the turn when he was stymied in traffic.

I'm not saying he is necessarily considerably better than Mr. Fantasy, but given their two different trips, This One's For Phil was the better horse on Saturday.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually, as the race unfolded, he was held up behind horses, and unable to make a move....while Mr. Fantasy was gaining an insurmountable advantage. The race was basically decided on the turn when he was stymied in traffic.

I'm not saying he is necessarily considerably better than Mr. Fantasy, but given their two different trips, This One's For Phil was the better horse on Saturday.

I know going into the race that you thought Just A Coincidence had a good shot to run well; I did as well. And, I know that you thought that the pace in the Gotham was slow and probably downgraded MF's performance as a result.

JAC was where you wanted T1s4P to be and he wilted in the stretch; as did Gone Astray, the other horse with JAC. Maybe T1s4P is significantly better than JAC and he'd have been able to run down Mr. Fantasy in the stretch. But, maybe, the reason he was able to run as well as he did late is because he didn't run a lick early, as the others did. While you saw trouble, I saw a horse that never lost momentum and was carried around the track, saving ground, until the stretch. To upgrade his performance is to downgrade the performance of MF. He didn't luck into his 'insurmountable advantage' but ran to it --- and ran the others to the ground while gaining it. And, given the dynamics of the race, one could argue that T1sFP got a perfect trip.

And you did come out for race dynamics over individual trips in the last segment of Trips and Traps, didn't you?

[blackthroatedwind]

The race dynamics were against This One's For Phil. I thought I explained that.

Sorry, but being forced to idle, while trapped, while another horse is gaining an insurmountable advantage, hardly feels like a horse that wasn't compromised.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The race dynamics were against This One's For Phil. I thought I explained that.

Sorry, but being forced to idle, while trapped, while another horse is gaining an insurmountable advantage, hardly feels like a horse that wasn't compromised.

How are the race dynamics against him? The horses that tried to run on the turn backed up. Why do I need to assume that T1sFP wouldn't have done the same, if he were able to bid with them? Does he win or get 2nd under those circumstances or does he back up with the others?