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hoovesupsideyourhead · #1 08-06-2006, 10:24 PM

what a friggin bad horse.the jock is not the problem,,the horse is the all time biggest paper champion...just so funny that people still bet this one with both fists,,pt barnum said it best...theirs a sucker born every......how can a people even think the result would be any diff.....amazing,,

GPK · #2 08-06-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

what a friggin bad horse.the jock is not the problem,,the horse is the all time biggest paper champion...just so funny that people still bet this one with both fists,,pt barnum said it best...theirs a sucker born every......how can a people even think the result would be any diff.....amazing,,

LOL...hooooooves....this post took longer than I thought to make it on here.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 08-06-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

what a friggin bad horse.the jock is not the problem,,the horse is the all time biggest paper champion...just so funny that people still bet this one with both fists,,pt barnum said it best...theirs a sucker born every......how can a people even think the result would be any diff.....amazing,,

I think Artie is totally done. I will be surprised if he runs again. They'll probably retire him. There's definitely something wrong with him. He didn't look like himself at all in the warm-up today. In addition, today was the first day that he's ever had front wraps. He must have a tendon or something. I'm surprised they would even run him. They probably figured they could get another race or two out of him. They were wrong.

#4 08-06-2006, 10:40 PM

He really did look bad. No excuses he was right were he needed to be and the horse had absolutely nothing.

my miss storm cat · #5 08-06-2006, 10:45 PM

That's too bad.

I was hoping Ashkal Way would win, but alas..... it wasn't to be.

I do hope Artie is okay. I've had a love/hate thing with him.....

Spent all last year rolling my eyes, insisting he was overated but when i saw him in person? Took my breath away. "Who's that?"

All my friends laughed. They knew what I thought of him. When they answered it was Artie, i didn't believe it at first.

ArlJim78 · #6 08-06-2006, 11:27 PM

think of the amount of money this guy has burned in his last three races!
1 to 2 2nd
1 to 2 3rd
3 to 5 4th

ouch!

#7 08-07-2006, 05:49 AM

Rupert I said the exact same thing as you on teh far turn when Gomez went all in on him and he had nothing. I said he will be retired today. I hope they do, I hate to see a good horse run when hes not doing well.

Gander · #8 08-07-2006, 08:03 AM

It was truly devestating watching this race from the seats yesterday. Always been a favorite of mine and even my wife came over just to watch Artie, obviously very disappointing. Sad way to see him end what has been a great ride. He will always have a BC win on his resume. Not sure why people continue to diss him. Sure hes been a beaten favorite on many occasions but its not his fault the public (including me) goes overboard for him.

I wont remember that race from yesterday, I will remember that BC Mile victory.

slotdirt · #9 08-07-2006, 08:05 AM

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It was truly devestating watching this race from the seats yesterday. Always been a favorite of mine and even my wife came over just to watch Artie, obviously very disappointing. Sad way to see him end what has been a great ride. He will always have a BC win on his resume. Not sure why people continue to diss him. Sure hes been a beaten favorite on many occasions but its not his fault the public (including me) goes overboard for him.

I wont remember that race from yesterday, I will remember that BC Mile victory.

I will remember last year's CompUSA Dixie...or this year's version....or the 1,000 other times Artie Schiller was the best horse in a race and didn't win.

Gander · #10 08-07-2006, 08:27 AM

Remember what you want about him but he is a valid BC winner and may have been the year before too if Migliore wasnt riding him with a broken arm.

Gander · #11 08-07-2006, 10:09 AM

Something had to be very wrong with Artie yesterday. Gomez said he had a perfect trip and was just empty at the quarter pole. I have never seen Artie empty at the quarter pole in any of his races. Hes lost a lot of tough ones, but hes always been very competitive, even in defeats.
Why he was that far back off slow fractions like that makes me wonder too. He has the speed to have led yesterday, instead of loping a few lengths behind a horse who has proven to be "remarkably" game when allowed to set easy fractions.

#12 08-07-2006, 10:14 AM

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Something had to be very wrong with Artie yesterday. Gomez said he had a perfect trip and was just empty at the quarter pole. I have never seen Artie empty at the quarter pole in any of his races. Hes lost a lot of tough ones, but hes always been very competitive, even in defeats.
Why he was that far back off slow fractions like that makes me wonder too. He has the speed to have led yesterday, instead of loping a few lengths behind a horse who has proven to be "remarkably" game when allowed to set easy fractions.

Tim you are a friend but I really want you to read over this thread and remember it the next time you go to bash a horse. I KNOW that something is wrong with Artie because he would never run that poorly and the front wraps were a bad omen. I will also remember his great races. But you will note that I am not bashing him. In this particular case because you know the connections and like the horse you are not bashing a short priced disappointment. Next time the shoe is on the other foot try and act the same way ok?
Artie Schiller has always been a talented horse who ran some HUGE races. He may have lacked a little in consistency, but when it was his day, boy could he be special. If he is indeed done, I'm sure he will make a fine sire someplace and at age 5, hes raced in 4 different campaigns and has earned the fine life he will get.

Gander · #13 08-07-2006, 10:21 AM

I didnt bash Flower Alley on Saturday. Obviously he was short, Pletcher said he wasnt 100%. But also something must have went wrong there too, as he had a nice trip but when asked for run he had nothing. Kind of a similar race to Artie in a lot of respects. So yes, I remembered and wasnt one of the guys on here who rushed to bash this horse.

Gander · #14 08-07-2006, 10:28 AM

In all honesty, even if Artie was 100%, Remarkable News would have been very tough to reel in, given the fact he was allowed to set those ridiculously slow fractions for a horse of his caliber.

Not sure if Artie's problems were the reason Garret took back early off slow fractions, or was that his planned strategy. If it was his strategy I think he misjudged the race. Remarkable News still would have won in my opinion.

#15 08-07-2006, 10:30 AM

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I didnt bash Flower Alley on Saturday. Obviously he was short, Pletcher said he wasnt 100%. But also something must have went wrong there too, as he had a nice trip but when asked for run he had nothing. Kind of a similar race to Artie in a lot of respects. So yes, I remembered and wasnt one of the guys on here who rushed to bash this horse.

The more hours that go by without a press quote from Todd( you know damn well that at least 100 guys had to be askiing him for quotes for publications) about Flower Alley's race, the more nervous I am becoming that we have seen the last of him. Even not 100% hes NEVER gonna run like that with no excuse. He was perfectly placed right off of moderate fractions and just never ran an inch. Johnny knew he was empty on the turn and was beating him like drum. This is a tremendously game animal. Eeven when he was being rushed into the Tri Crown fray his ARk Derby always stuck out in my mind as an example of his gameness. You would have bet 10 grand at the 1/8th pole that day that after Alex had motored by him that he was gonna get swallowed up by Andromeda's hero for the place but when Andromeda came to him, even though he was exhausted, he dug in very gamely to hold the place and you could see him fighting hard. No way was he just "short" on saturday. Something had to have been up and the lack of talk from his camp tells me something went wrong.

Gander · #16 08-07-2006, 10:41 AM

Well let us know if you hear something Mike. That performance was equally disappointing to watch. Still hoping for a great BC Classic between Flower Alley, Lava Man and Bernardini. Heck, possibly BG Cat!

One can dream cant they?

paisjpq · #17 08-07-2006, 10:50 AM

Excerpt from the bloodhorse online--The official statement I guess

Trainer Todd Pletcher said Flower Alley, the Whitney favorite who faded to seventh, obviously needed the race.

"I was concerned that with only one race under his belt this year he might not be in peak form," Pletcher said. "I would have liked to see him finish up a little better than he did. I know he's a lot better than that, so we'll just regroup and point for the Woodward."

Pletcher said he was pleased by the third-place effort turned in by West Virginia. Both horses came out of the Whitney well, he said.

slotdirt · #18 08-07-2006, 10:55 AM

West Virginia has become a real gamer this year.

#19 08-07-2006, 02:37 PM

I'm not throwing in the towel on Artie Schiller yet.

whorstman · #20 08-07-2006, 03:29 PM

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LOL...hooooooves....this post took longer than I thought to make it on here.

I think it's become kind of common knowlage on this board. It is funny he gets bet like that only to be an also ran. lol