Allen Iverson

What happens to Allen when they give out of work
Mr. Goodwrench a free ticket to club him during
a Pistons game...

Good feeling for the pulse of the country.
Overpaid people who dont work hard are especially
endearing to the public right now.

Steven A. Smith called the no show
by Iverson an aberration.
Joe Dumars and Curry are the bosses
and Iverson knows they rule with an Iron Fist says Smith...

WTF...

practice

[Mortimer]

Dala,Sweetie-poo.....are you listening??



Kiss-Kiss...Hug-Hug

Steven A. Smith is some sort of crackhead.
Aberration my arse.

[Danzig]

iverson apologized and said it won't happen again...and funny you mention marbury hoss, i thought of him when i saw the thread.
the players union is filing a grievance, marbury said the words 'i will not play' didn't ever come out of his mouth. this has been coming for a while tho, the coach pretty much told him earlier this season that he didn't need him. seems the whole situation has been building, and perhaps handled poorly from the get-go. marbury needs to go elsewhere, and most likely will.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Dala,Sweetie-poo.....are you listening??



Kiss-Kiss...Hug-Hug

Never said he was a great a practice player. I said that during his prime, he was one of the most explosive and dominant players around and that philly gave him away when he was still productive.

I also said that Detroit made this move for salary cap reasons and that they were sure to regress this year. Whats changed?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Never said he was a great a practice player. I said that during his prime, he was one of the most explosive and dominant players around and that philly gave him away when he was still productive.

I also said that Detroit made this move for salary cap reasons and that they were sure to regress this year. Whats changed?

OK...get snotty with me...and you're next.

Know what ahm thayin"?...do ya?

[Mortimer]

Ah skeered her.

We talkin bout practice and s.hit.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Never said he was a great a practice player. I said that during his prime, he was one of the most explosive and dominant players around and that philly gave him away when he was still productive.

I also said that Detroit made this move for salary cap reasons and that they were sure to regress this year. Whats changed?

If you shoot 45 shots a game and make 15 then that makes you explosive and dominant? not! Phillys roster inadequacies made Iverson stand out,not his play. Although I will say he hustled 95% of the time.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

If you shoot 45 shots a game and make 15 then that makes you explosive and dominant? not! Phillys roster inadequacies made Iverson stand out,not his play. Although I will say he hustled 95% of the time.

With all of the roster inadequacies and how unexplosive he was, how do you explain them making the NBA finals?

Better yet, save the explanation.

[Mortimer]

Dala..you snot you...I looked up what you said and you are right. You made no mention of any gains they would make this year.








And so---I gag...I mean apologize.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

With all of the roster inadequacies and how unexplosive he was, how do you explain them making the NBA finals?

Better yet, save the explanation.

weak conference...DOH!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

iverson apologized and said it won't happen again...and funny you mention marbury hoss, i thought of him when i saw the thread.
the players union is filing a grievance, marbury said the words 'i will not play' didn't ever come out of his mouth. this has been coming for a while tho, the coach pretty much told him earlier this season that he didn't need him. seems the whole situation has been building, and perhaps handled poorly from the get-go. marbury needs to go elsewhere, and most likely will.

The Marbury situation is a strange one. He says that coach told him there were 30-35 minutes available that night if he wanted them. If that's the case, Marbury was well within his rights to say no. If the coach told him to suit up because he was playing that night and Marbury said no, that could be a problem. I can see both sides of this. The coach has told Marbury to himself and said publicly that he was not in the plans for this team. Once he did that, he created a huge problem. One side says that Marbury is being paid $21 million and as a professional, has a responsibility to be ready at all times, whether the coach decides to use him for 40 minutes, for 10 minutes, or not at all. The other side says that unless they have suspended him or he's injured, the coach has an obligation to use him if he's on the roster and ready if he gives your team it's best chance to win. Obviously, Marbury is better than whoever the 9-12 guys on the roster are so he should have been playing. The coach can't have it both ways. He can't tell a guy that's ready to play that he's not in the plans and won't play.....and then tell him be ready cause he needs him.

[King Glorious]

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

[Danzig]

if coach called a practice, everyone should have been there. i've worked holidays, my husband hasn't had a christmas off in years. that's life.
hard to feel bad for millionaires who play a sport for a living.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Marbury situation is a strange one. He says that coach told him there were 30-35 minutes available that night if he wanted them. If that's the case, Marbury was well within his rights to say no. If the coach told him to suit up because he was playing that night and Marbury said no, that could be a problem. I can see both sides of this. The coach has told Marbury to himself and said publicly that he was not in the plans for this team. Once he did that, he created a huge problem. One side says that Marbury is being paid $21 million and as a professional, has a responsibility to be ready at all times, whether the coach decides to use him for 40 minutes, for 10 minutes, or not at all. The other side says that unless they have suspended him or he's injured, the coach has an obligation to use him if he's on the roster and ready if he gives your team it's best chance to win. Obviously, Marbury is better than whoever the 9-12 guys on the roster are so he should have been playing. The coach can't have it both ways. He can't tell a guy that's ready to play that he's not in the plans and won't play.....and then tell him be ready cause he needs him.

This take which I have heard other places is hard to swallow. Marbury is a cancer and isnt playing because of his attitude not his ability. The size of his contract should not be an issue as to whether he wants to play or not. The mistake that D'antoni made was showing him any respect and asking him if he wanted to play instead of simply telling him to suit up or get out. Any issues or perceived unfair treatment that starbury may feel should be directed right back at himself. He may have made a lot of money and has a big reputation but he is a dog and the whole world knows it. And yes KG the coach can have it all, the players dont have the right to decide if they want to play or not because their feeling may be hurt. The biggest mistake the knicks made was not simply cutting the mutt and giving him his money because he has done nothing but cause trouble as usual and noone is going to give them anything for him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

why shouldnt they practice on Thanksgiving? They get the whole summer off and it isnt like Detroit is playing great.

[Danzig]

i'm surprised that no one has brought up plaxico yet. dude shot himself in the leg-the same thigh with the bad hamstring.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

Dumars runs the ship. Dumars had to know there would be practice and approve. Stupid move by Iverson. And he knows it. And one of the reasons stated for the practice was to do some work on how to better utilize Iverson.
Iverson has backed down and the Pistons forgive so all is good.
Except that Detroit made themselves worse with the trade imo. Not that its gonna matter.

[King Glorious]

Making the analogy of what people in other jobs have to do is meaningless here. Danzig, if your husband knew that if he didn't show up on Christmas, nothing would happen to him, would he still show up? If you work at gas station or supermarket and don't show up and you know that nothing will happen to you at all, do you still bother to show up? I don't. What was Iverson's punishment? Not being allowed to start. Maybe he was fined a couple of thousand dollars. He still played 27 minutes and led the team scoring for the game.

In the NBA, the coaches don't run things. In college, they do. Not at the pro level. If LeBron James went to Danny Ferry tonight and said "I want Mike Brown out of here this week or there's NO WAY I'm staying", Brown would need the classifieds very quickly. Same thing in Miami with Wade, Toronto with Bosh, etc. The star players have all the power in the NBA. After the players, it's the GM's, then the owners, then the coaches.