Talent Search

[The Bid]

The best sprinter in training looks to be ready for a return.

Is it possible he can come directly off the bench, run, and win the Breeders Cup? If hes 100 percent and gets in whos going to beat him

[The Indomitable DrugS]

What exactly has Frankel given him while he's been away for you to declare him "the best sprinter in training?"

I believe he was transferred - right?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What exactly has Frankel given him while he's been away for you to declare him "the best sprinter in training?"

I believe he was transferred - right?

He supposed to run in the sprint prep at Keeneland. That should let the cat out of the bag, one way or the other.

[The Bid]

I think the cat will be out of the bag in a big way at Keeneland. When he was running for Shuman he was crippled. There's no telling how good he will be now that they've given him the opportunity to sound up. Ill be shocked if he doesn't make a good account of himself at Keeneland, even moreso if he's not the nuts at Santa Anita

[Cannon Shell]

If Talent Search is the best sprinter in training, the BC should suspend the sprint indefinitely. Frankel did a bang up job with Cajun Beat in a similar scenario.

[The Bid]

Who's better Cannon? He's ran second to Benny the Bull, Diabolical, Fabulous Strike. With a lot of issues, always laying it down to the wire. If you watch the races when he finished second to Fabulous Strike in his heightened cheating days, and his second to Benny in the Defrancis who can beat him 100pct sound. The sprint division isn't exactly strong right now. Even with the division loaded Talent Search was serious. The best part is him debuting at Tampa for 12k, almost comical

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Who's better Cannon? He's ran second to Benny the Bull, Diabolical, Fabulous Strike. With a lot of issues, always laying it down to the wire. If you watch the races when he finished second to Fabulous Strike in his heightened cheating days, and his second to Benny in the Defrancis who can beat him 100pct sound. The sprint division isn't exactly strong right now. Even with the division loaded Talent Search was serious. The best part is him debuting at Tampa for 12k, almost comical

He may be the best which is scary considering he is not much more than an accomplished $75000 claimer. The older horse divisions are as bad as they have ever been. The sprinters are awful, the older 'handicap' horses are pathetic and the turf horses are a joke. The best fallout from the drop of the bloodstock market is that maybe with stud fees dropping, the value of stallion prospects will decline which may keep some better horses in training longer. Commentator wins the Mass Cap in a virtual walkover, Wandering Boy is suddenly considered good, Fairbanks wins the Hawthorn Gold Cup at 4/5, California racing....These are not good signs. Curlin vs Big Brown will take away from the fact that many of the BC races are pathetic. Outside of the Distaff what other division has a good group of horses?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He may be the best which is scary considering he is not much more than an accomplished $75000 claimer. The older horse divisions are as bad as they have ever been. The sprinters are awful, the older 'handicap' horses are pathetic and the turf horses are a joke. The best fallout from the drop of the bloodstock market is that maybe with stud fees dropping, the value of stallion prospects will decline which may keep some better horses in training longer. Commentator wins the Mass Cap in a virtual walkover, Wandering Boy is suddenly considered good, Fairbanks wins the Hawthorn Gold Cup at 4/5, California racing....These are not good signs. Curlin vs Big Brown will take away from the fact that many of the BC races are pathetic. Outside of the Distaff what other division has a good group of horses?

that's what i'm hoping for, and what i've been waiting for.

[CSC]

Personally of all the sprints yesterday I was most impressed by Fatal Bullet in the K Cup Sprint.

Watch out for him he's a freakishly fast poly sprinter...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's what i'm hoping for, and what i've been waiting for.

The really good ones will still retire especially if Darley wants them but maybe some of the others will develop as 4 and 5 year olds. It wont happen overnight but the other development that will affect the stallion market is synthetic surfaces. No one really has any idea yet about what bloodlines will be considered synthetic but the fact that CA, Canada, KY's only A meet, AP, Presque Isle, etc are on synthetics will lower the demand for strictly dirt sires and open the doors for other lines, at least in theory.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The really good ones will still retire especially if Darley wants them but maybe some of the others will develop as 4 and 5 year olds. It wont happen overnight but the other development that will affect the stallion market is synthetic surfaces. No one really has any idea yet about what bloodlines will be considered synthetic but the fact that CA, Canada, KY's only A meet, AP, Presque Isle, etc are on synthetics will lower the demand for strictly dirt sires and open the doors for other lines, at least in theory.

does darley race all their stock? you see them buy, but do they ever sell? of course their sires are available to outside breeders...but thinking of them made me wonder.
but yeah, back when real quiet and silver charm ran at four, the breeding market was on a downturn. one certainly has to do with the other. seems this bubble has finally burst as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

does darley race all their stock? you see them buy, but do they ever sell? of course their sires are available to outside breeders...but thinking of them made me wonder.
but yeah, back when real quiet and silver charm ran at four, the breeding market was on a downturn. one certainly has to do with the other. seems this bubble has finally burst as well.

Darley does sell some and does foal shares where they sell but they are making a huge push to become the leading stallion provider. They are very good to do business with on that front.

Real Quiet and Silver Charm didn't really have great pedigrees either

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Darley does sell some and does foal shares where they sell but they are making a huge push to become the leading stallion provider. They are very good to do business with on that front.

Real Quiet and Silver Charm didn't really have great pedigrees either

that's true, they didn't. but anymore it seems that doesn't matter. everyone was seemingly slavering over big brown, and he's by boundary-doesn't exactly scream class. and then kip deville moves to ky...crazy stuff.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's true, they didn't. but anymore it seems that doesn't matter. everyone was seemingly slavering over big brown, and he's by boundary-doesn't exactly scream class. and then kip deville moves to ky...crazy stuff.

BB was a bs deal. They(IEAH) seem to be banking on their own mares to make him a success by retaining so much of him. In alomst all cases a bad idea just as it would have been for Real Quiet or Silver Charm.

Mares arent exactly flocking to kipling.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

BB was a bs deal. They(IEAH) seem to be banking on their own mares to make him a success by retaining so much of him. In alomst all cases a bad idea just as it would have been for Real Quiet or Silver Charm.

Mares arent exactly flocking to kipling.

shocking!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

Personally of all the sprints yesterday I was most impressed by Fatal Bullet in the K Cup Sprint.

Watch out for him he's a freakishly fast poly sprinter...

Do you know if that horse can rate a little bit?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Do you know if that horse can rate a little bit?

That's a good question, I don't think he needs the lead if you look at his past p's, the jock that took over for his last 3 races is a pretty good gate jockey from what I know of him and he really lets his horses run. When you look at his bris numbers it's his middle move number that stands out. He got a 108 beyer in breaking the track record yesterday, it looks like he will be going to SA and he may be one to tab for the pro ride surface.

[The Bid]

Out of his last 7 races hes posted 108, 108, 108, 103, 102, 100, and 91 while running third in the Breeders Cup. Keep in mind this horse had some serious issues and Shuman ran him through those issues. All comment lines on losses are grudgingly, or gamely, Ive never seen a horse whos comment lines are so consistantly hard trying. Hes always just shows up, and theres a lot to be said for that

I think hes better than Diabolical, Fabulous Strike, Benny the Bull, hes better than all of them when hes healthy. Hopefully hes healthy so everyone gets to see how good he really is

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

That's a good question, I don't think he needs the lead if you look at his past p's, the jock that took over for his last 3 races is a pretty good gate jockey from what I know of him and he really lets his horses run. When you look at his bris numbers it's his middle move number that stands out. He got a 108 beyer in breaking the track record yesterday, it looks like he will be going to SA and he may be one to tab for the pro ride surface.

He's got beautiful action on the poly. He's rated nicely before(behind a horse or two, but it was pretty much left alone ...no traffic,or company) Problem is he could be having to rate 3 across in the Breeder's Cup. Posts 3 thru 8 would be best. The switch to PRO RIDE is an issue for me with a horse like this(that hasn't always been good like this. Horses like this are often the ones that are more particular about surface than a horse who has been nice from day one.) If he takes to the track, he is good enough(ran a 1 on the sheets etc.)

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Out of his last 7 races hes posted 108, 108, 108, 103, 102, 100, and 91 while running third in the Breeders Cup. Keep in mind this horse had some serious issues and Shuman ran him through those issues. All comment lines on losses are grudgingly, or gamely, Ive never seen a horse whos comment lines are so consistantly hard trying. Hes always just shows up, and theres a lot to be said for that

I think hes better than Diabolical, Fabulous Strike, Benny the Bull, hes better than all of them when hes healthy. Hopefully hes healthy so everyone gets to see how good he really is

I disagree. He'll have to prove it on the track.. Good luck.