Barbaro who??

[Seattleallstar]

I love you Bernardini, AP INDY FOREVER BIAACHES!!!!!

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I love you Bernardini, AP INDY FOREVER BIAACHES!!!!!

That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Bernardini won the Jim Dandy, Barbaro the Kentucky Derby. I believe Barbaro's derby was a little more impressive than beating the 3yr old rejects. When you win the derby by 6 you are a legend. When you win the Jim Dandy by 6 you are another Flower Alley. Bernardini is not going to lose again this year, but Barbaro's best effort is comparable to anything Bernardini has done.

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I love you Bernardini, AP INDY FOREVER BIAACHES!!!!!

In reality, Barbaro's win WAS more impresive. Hands down.
However Bernardini's WINs were nice in the Preakness and impressive in the slop. Horses of the year, no boubt !

Originally Posted by 31lengths

In reality, Barbaro's win WAS more impresive. Hands down.
However Bernardini's WINs were nice in the Preakness and impressive in the slop. Horses of the year, no boubt !

Bernardini might be more talented than Barbaro, but there is no way of knowing. However, when you win a 20 horse race by 6 lengths going 10F for the first time, you are an all-time great. That is why the race hasn't been won by that amount in decades.

You also have to remember that Barbaro was a monster on the grass. Bernardini might be too, but I doubt we ever see that.

Both probably are two of the better horses we have seen in a decade.

[2Hot4TV]

2006 Kentucky Derby winner. If Barbaro had alittle more foundation prior to the Derby he would of beat Bernadini and went on to win the Triple Crown. No matter what Bernadini does he will never be a Kentucky Derby winner.

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Bernardini might be more talented than Barbaro, but there is no way of knowing. However, when you win a 20 horse race by 6 lengths going 10F for the first time, you are an all-time great. That is why the race hasn't been won by that amount in decades.

You also have to remember that Barbaro was a monster on the grass. Bernardini might be too, but I doubt we ever see that.

Both probably are two of the better horses we have seen in a decade.

Well said.
REALLY....you hit it right on the head.

[Danzig]

the thread title is completely tasteless.

bernardini made that look so easy, very effortless. a very nice horse. and you can certainly appreciate one horse, and congratulate him, without having to knock another horse. esp when that horse is fighting every day to stay alive.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

2006 Kentucky Derby winner. If Barbaro had alittle more foundation prior to the Derby he would of beat Bernadini and went on to win the Triple Crown. No matter what Bernadini does he will never be a Kentucky Derby winner.

So what? Many great horses have never won the Derby and many ordinary horses have. I'll be perfectly happy for Bernardini to have a great career even without a Derby win.

I knew this would happen - such sour grapes.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Betsy

So what? Many great horses have never won the Derby and many ordinary horses have. I'll be perfectly happy for Bernardini to have a great career even without a Derby win.

I knew this would happen - such sour grapes.

Not sour grape at all. You can pick on any horse in the world, except Barbaro.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

the thread title is completely tasteless.

bernardini made that look so easy, very effortless. a very nice horse. and you can certainly appreciate one horse, and congratulate him, without having to knock another horse. esp when that horse is fighting every day to stay alive.

Isn't that backwards? All I see on message boards are Barbaro fans who are so upset about their horse (and rightfully so, obviously) that they disparage Bernardini EVERY chance they get.

I am beyond thrilled about Bernardini, but I respect Barbaro a great deal -as a racehorse, but more as a fighter. Albetrani was hoping that his colt would step out of the shadow of Barbaro; I don't think this will ever happen with most fans, because they won't let it happen. Oh well - I just hope he keeps winning

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Not sour grape at all. You can pick on any horse in the world, except Barbaro.

Well, I would never pick on Barbaro - the poor horse is fighting valiantly for his life. I'm referring to fans (not anyone in particular) who insist that Barbaro absolutely would have beaten Bernardini, that Bernardini beat no one, etc............They can't see past their Barbaro-shaded glasses. I refuse to say that Bernardini would have beaten him; he might or he might not have. Nonetheless, I'm tired of hearing that he beat nobodies in the Preakness (or, tired and bad-luck horses like SNS and Brother Derek) and the Jim Dandy.......Still, I'll have to deal with the problem as long as I post and lurk on message boards. All I can do now is enjoy my horse.......which I will.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Isn't that backwards? All I see on message boards are Barbaro fans who are so upset about their horse (and rightfully so, obviously) that they disparage Bernardini EVERY chance they get.

I am beyond thrilled about Bernardini, but I respect Barbaro a great deal -as a racehorse, but more as a fighter. Albetrani was hoping that his colt would step out of the shadow of Barbaro; I don't think this will ever happen with most fans, because they won't let it happen. Oh well - I just hope he keeps winning

That's not so. Bernadini will be looked upon as a great horse if he keeps his form. Barbaro fans are not comparing the two.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

That's not so. Bernadini will be looked upon as a great horse if he keeps his form. Barbaro fans are not comparing the two.

well, to be fair, I admit that I'm referring to a few bad apples in a generally very good bunch. I hoped that I wouldn't have to be posting about this kind of thing after the race because it's just too aggravating. By the way, I don't mean to come down hard on Barbaro fans, who obviously adore their horse.......I just wish that their standards for Bernardini (and keep in mind that I am not calling him "the greatest" anything yet) weren't so high. He can't win in a fight against the memory of Barbaro, not when Barbaro is still fighting to stay alive.

Originally Posted by Betsy

Isn't that backwards? All I see on message boards are Barbaro fans who are so upset about their horse (and rightfully so, obviously) that they disparage Bernardini EVERY chance they get.

I am beyond thrilled about Bernardini, but I respect Barbaro a great deal -as a racehorse, but more as a fighter. Albetrani was hoping that his colt would step out of the shadow of Barbaro; I don't think this will ever happen with most fans, because they won't let it happen. Oh well - I just hope he keeps winning

I am a huge Barbaro fan and I said well before today's race he is going to be a great one.

Bernardini will become a bigger star than Barbaro in the racing public, but Barbaro has crossed into the mainstream. Bernardini can never do that even if he win HOY. The KD is the race that attracts the attention of the public and Barbaro's story run on things like Network New and morning shows.

If Barbaro survives, his feat of just surviving, will be right up there with the Triple Crown winners. If he survives and contributes to the breed in the shed, well then he goes down as one of the elite of the elite.

Originally Posted by Betsy

well, to be fair, I admit that I'm referring to a few bad apples in a generally very good bunch. I hoped that I wouldn't have to be posting about this kind of thing after the race because it's just too aggravating. By the way, I don't mean to come down hard on Barbaro fans, who obviously adore their horse.......I just wish that their standards for Bernardini (and keep in mind that I am not calling him "the greatest" anything yet) weren't so high. He can't win in a fight against the memory of Barbaro, not when Barbaro is still fighting to stay alive.

I already proclaimed Bernardini HOY, but you can't make stupid threads and name them Barbaro Who? It just lacks class.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

I am a huge Barbaro fan and I said well before today's race he is going to be a great one.

Bernardini will become a bigger star than Barbaro in the racing public, but Barbaro has crossed into the mainstream. Bernardini can never do that even if he win HOY. The KD is the race that attracts the attention of the public and Barbaro's story run on things like Network New and morning shows.

If Barbaro survives, his feat of just surviving, will be right up there with the Triple Crown winners. If he survives and contributes to the breed in the shed, well then he goes down as one of the elite of the elite.

i don't think bernardini will be a bigger star. if they decided to retire him after his 3 yo season, than i look for him to make two starts. the travers, and the bcc. that doesn't make you a household name. unless of course he wins the bcc, than he might be one--but it won't matter at that point, no one will see him again.

Lets not jump ahead of ourselves, before giving HOY honors or saying better than so and so ,lets see him beat someone win a few more , not that he wont butdo not place HOY 3yr champ trophy in his case yet, maybe by end of year he will be deserving of such but not untill!

Originally Posted by Raysva

Lets not jump ahead of ourselves, before giving HOY honors or saying better than so and so ,lets see him beat someone win a few more , not that he wont butdo not place HOY 3yr champ trophy in his case yet, maybe by end of year he will be deserving of such but not untill!

Maybe, but there isn't an older horse out there that has been as impressive as him. Not one.

[miraja2]

I didn't read the whole thread so I am probably just repeating what others have said but.....GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! The horse ran a very good race today and I congratulate his connections for doing a fine job with him. Personally I think Barbaro was a better horse, but that isn't even the point.
Why start a thread which is meant to celebrate Bernardini by slighting Barbaro?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Maybe, but there isn't an older horse out there that has been as impressive as him. Not one.

really? lava mans wins, no losses all year,(and he's run how many more times than bernardini?) and none have been as impressive?
flower alley looking like he's taking a stroll in the park against older in his first start in six months not as impressive?

hell, barbaro winning the derby in hand was more impressive...of course he isn't older...

you're all or nothing, aren't you??