You and I Forever

[pweizer]

Anyone know why You and I Forever is not in the Travers? All the reports were that he would be entered.

Paul

[Gander]

No, I was wondering the same thing.
Also, Acai also passed on the race. Very strange as both trainers were talking up both of these horses.

[my miss storm cat]

Some info...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97492.html

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Gander

No, I was wondering the same thing.
Also, Acai also passed on the race. Very strange as both trainers were talking up both of these horses.

Pretty sure it was an IEAH decision. . .

[Betsy]

Bill Mott came up with some odd excuse (see DRF) - that he and the owner weren't sure if the colt would handle 1 1/4 because his dam (You) did not relish longer distances. LOL This is a joke -I guess Mott forgot that the colt also has a sire who's offspring greatly prefer two turns. Instead, he's pointing You and I Forever to the PA Derby......sheesh. I'm extremely annoyed at Bill Mott to say the least. What an imbecilic decision.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97492.html

He's rather run Court Vision, who has no hope at all. I need a rolling eyes smiley.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Bill Mott came up with some odd excuse (see DRF) - that he and the owner weren't sure if the colt would handle 1 1/4 because his dam (You) did not relish longer distances. LOL This is a joke -I guess Mott forgot that the colt also has a sire who's offspring greatly prefer two turns. Instead, he's pointing You and I Forever to the PA Derby......sheesh. I'm extremely annoyed at Bill Mott to say the least. What an imbecilic decision.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97492.html

He's rather run Court Vision, who has no hope at all. I need a rolling eyes smiley.

The Pa Derby promises to be a much softer spot to run for $1M especially for a horse light on experience. I think if Bill Mott really thought he could win the Travers with You & I Forever he would've run him.

[Betsy]

HurricaneFrank,
I just think it's the wrong move. The Travers is the Travers and the PA Derby is not. How does Mott know that his colt can't get the 1 1/4? He runs Alazao, a mediocrity, in the Haskell against Big Brown; he throws Mushka, off of one race in many months, against the best 3 year old fillies in the Alabama, but he won't try his promising colt in a wide open Travers? Foolish decision and inconsistent with his other recent decisions. I know he couldn't possibly think that Alaazo or Mushka had much chance.........

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

The Pa Derby promises to be a much softer spot to run for $1M especially for a horse light on experience. I think if Bill Mott really thought he could win the Travers with You & I Forever he would've run him.

Are Coal Play and Smooth Air pointing to the Penn Derby? If so, it could wind up a tougher race than the Travers as you could make the argument going in that those two are better than anyone in the field even if I don't think they'd like 10 furlongs (like most of the Travers field).

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Are Coal Play and Smooth Air pointing to the Penn Derby? If so, it could wind up a tougher race than the Travers as you could make the argument going in that those two are better than anyone in the field even if I don't think they'd like 10 furlongs (like most of the Travers field).

I don't think so with Coal Play - last I heard, the Jerome was a likely spot. It appears that Nick Zito was waiting to see how he was training before deciding where to point him next. I haven't heard anything about CP, though, in the last week or so.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Betsy

HurricaneFrank,
I just think it's the wrong move. The Travers is the Travers and the PA Derby is not. How does Mott know that his colt can't get the 1 1/4? He runs Alazao, a mediocrity, in the Haskell against Big Brown; he throws Mushka, off of one race in many months, against the best 3 year old fillies in the Alabama, but he won't try his promising colt in a wide open Travers? Foolish decision and inconsistent with his other recent decisions. I know he couldn't possibly think that Alaazo or Mushka had much chance.........

Maybe he just has lost his confidence with the Saratoga meet. What did he win, something like 27 races last year? And this year hes won 2? Kind of like a HR hitter hitting 60 one year and coming back with only 25 the next, with the same at bats. Makes you wonder.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Betsy

HurricaneFrank,
I just think it's the wrong move. The Travers is the Travers and the PA Derby is not. How does Mott know that his colt can't get the 1 1/4? He runs Alazao, a mediocrity, in the Haskell against Big Brown; he throws Mushka, off of one race in many months, against the best 3 year old fillies in the Alabama, but he won't try his promising colt in a wide open Travers? Foolish decision and inconsistent with his other recent decisions. I know he couldn't possibly think that Alaazo or Mushka had much chance.........

You can't possibly believe it was his call to run Mushka in that race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You can't possibly believe it was his call to run Mushka in that race.

there was a interview with mott on tvg, talking about muska in the bama he seemed very confident that she would fire a big shot, and that the second start back was the plan

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by hrfan

there was a interview with mott on tvg, talking about muska in the bama he seemed very confident that she would fire a big shot, and that the second start back was the plan

Mushka and Alazao are Zayat horses. You and I Forever is not. I think that explains the difference.

[Quiet Chris]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Are Coal Play and Smooth Air pointing to the Penn Derby? If so, it could wind up a tougher race than the Travers as you could make the argument going in that those two are better than anyone in the field even if I don't think they'd like 10 furlongs (like most of the Travers field).

Mambo in Seattle and Harlem Rocker are much better horses than Coal Play and Smooth Air. The both have the potential to be extremely talented horses. The other two are really just grade 2 horses that are beating nothing.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Mambo in Seattle and Harlem Rocker are much better horses than Coal Play and Smooth Air. The both have the potential to be extremely talented horses. The other two are really just grade 2 horses that are beating nothing.

I'm a believer in Harlem Rocker still but there is a reason Mambo in Seattle just won a stakes race for NONWINNERS OF A GRADED STAKES IN 2008, it's cause he's won absolutely nothing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hrfan

there was a interview with mott on tvg, talking about muska in the bama he seemed very confident that she would fire a big shot, and that the second start back was the plan

One of a trainer's jobs is to take the heat for their owner's misguided decisions. There is no way Mott wanted to run her in the Alabama....and even less chance he was confident in her chances.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One of a trainer's jobs is to take the heat for their owner's misguided decisions. There is no way Mott wanted to run her in the Alabama....and even less chance he was confident in her chances.

You do know who you are trying to prove a point to, don't ya?

[Betsy]

Andy, what do you think about Mott's decision? I forget who owns You and I Forever, but if Mott thought the colt should be in the Travers, I'm sure the owner would give it a shot.

Also, do you give Cool Coal Man any kind of a shot? I was kind of disappointed by his Haskell effort -and shocked by Coal Play's - but I guess a part of me hopes that CCM will live up to the promise he showed late last year and earlier this year. Thus far, I've been disappointed. Maybe he'll be better as an older horse. Speaking of Coal Play, any idea where Nick is going to point this colt? I'm hoping his Haskell wasn't a fluke, but that's more a hope than an expectation.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You do know who you are trying to prove a point to, don't ya?

I obviously haven't been paying attention...is this the return of the VI?

[RolloTomasi]

He's rather run Court Vision, who has no hope at all.

The irony being that Court Vision is out of a half-sister to A.P. Indy (and a full to Summer Squall).

I need a rolling eyes smiley.

You and I...both.