Better Sire

jpops757 · #1 05-30-2008, 11:57 AM

Four that got nice deals from breading operationsZapper, 1st Sam, Alex, and Smarty. Which one will have the first derby runner?

DogsUp · #2 05-30-2008, 12:03 PM

In my opinion it will be Smarty.

DogsUp · #3 05-30-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The chances that any of them will sire a Derby winner is very slim IMO.

Why?

Cannon Shell · #4 05-30-2008, 01:27 PM

The SJ babies are not impressive as a group. I have a hard time believing that AA will be a good sire, FS may be a good market sire but I dont know if he will sire classic type horses and GZ, who knows though Stronach has done very well making stallions.

Linny · #5 05-30-2008, 01:52 PM

I'd give GZ the best chance as I'm sure he was bred to plenty of Adena's good mares. He seems to get alot of route horses even when the pedigree says "miler."
I agree about FS being less likley to sire classic types, but he is by Giant's Causeway and if the mare has some stamina...

I don't think that either AA or SJ will be all that good.

jpops757 · #6 05-30-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I'd give GZ the best chance as I'm sure he was bred to plenty of Adena's good mares. He seems to get alot of route horses even when the pedigree says "miler."
I agree about FS being less likley to sire classic types, but he is by Giant's Causeway and if the mare has some stamina...

I don't think that either AA or SJ will be all that good.

I agree about 1st Sam. A good Dynaformer mare should add stamina and also turf to go along with the win early results that did. I still think his Giants Causway will help his stamina.

freddymo · #7 05-30-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The SJ babies are not impressive as a group. I have a hard time believing that AA will be a good sire, FS may be a good market sire but I dont know if he will sire classic type horses and GZ, who knows though Stronach has done very well making stallions.

Impressive babies mean ZERO

Cannon Shell · #8 05-30-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Impressive babies mean ZERO

Possibly true but non-impressive means a lot

DogsUp · #9 05-30-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Most sires don't sire a Derby winner. I just think the odds are none of them will. Think about all of the great horses that never did. I mean look at the last few years. Do you think anyone thought Elusive Quality or Boundary would sire a Derby winner?

When it comes to one of them WINNING the Derby then I would agree with you. But the question was which one would have the 1st Derby runner.

jcs11204 · #10 05-30-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The chances that any of them will sire a Derby winner is very slim IMO.

first samuari has the potential to be a sire of SIRES.... A SUPER SIRE

blackthroatedwind · #11 05-30-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

first samuari has the potential to be a sire of SIRES.... A SUPER SIRE

You're funny.

Linny · #12 05-30-2008, 09:05 PM

If the question is about who will have the first runner in the Derby then you need to look at who owns/trains alot of the colts by the 4 sires. Any sire that Todd Pletcher, for example buys is more likely to be represented in the Derby than a sire he doesn't buy.
I have not really read up on what trainers have shown interest in the offspring of the 4 stallions mentioned.

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-30-2008, 09:07 PM

There isn't much interest in Smarty Jones from what I hear.

Linny · #14 05-30-2008, 09:11 PM

Some little tiny part of me (my heart?) would like Smarty to be a good sire but he was not well received and that is rarely a good sign.
I remember hoping that Coronado's Quest would be a top sire. He had the pedigree and conformation etc. I asked a few trainers about the CQ's they had at 2, and they were all less than thrilled. Those trainers were all correct.

The Bid · #15 05-30-2008, 09:16 PM

They all stink, Ghostzapper is probably the only logical choice. The others will have to get very lucky to have a classic style horse.

jcs11204 · #16 05-30-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're funny.

why ? giants causeway is great... first sam, brings speed.....

i'd take first samurai over any of the other 3 named

freddymo · #17 05-30-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

why ? giants causeway is great... first sam, brings speed.....

i'd take first samurai over any of the other 3 named

He wasn't much horse?

hockey2315 · #18 05-30-2008, 09:49 PM

agree with others that Ghostzapper is the only one who will be a very good sire. . .

Danzig · #19 05-30-2008, 09:51 PM

jcs, only about one in 10 horses make it as a sire. odds are not in first samurais favor. and yeah, he's at claiborne, and they'll do their best to make him. but don't forget that monarchos, second fastest derby winner ever, also stood there. he's not there anymore.
as for the giant, he's getting racehorses, but that doesn't necessarily translate into being a sire of sires. it wasn't that long ago that they were asking why storm cat wasn't proving to be a sire of sires.

freddymo · #20 05-30-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Possibly true but non-impressive means a lot

I am totally subjective on Smarty Jones. My heart is hoping he is a great sire. I believe he was a very fast horse and I believe his offspring will be great as well. Will see