Hollywood Park is History today

2Hot4TV · #1 07-16-2006, 03:44 PM

On Monday they start to dig up the dirt and install Polytrack.

#2 07-16-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

On Monday they start to dig up the dirt and install Polytrack.

Cushiontrack. Last dirt race is today's 8th.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 07-16-2006, 04:30 PM

They really don't even need Polytrack at Hollywood. The track is pretty good there. The place they really need it is at Santa Anita. The track is terrible there. They've been having a lot of problems there. The track is so bad there and so many horses have been getting hurt, that they are going to close it for 2 weeks and do a bunch of tests to try to figure out what is wrong. They're going to check the base to see if there's a problem with the base. They think there could be holes in the base and that is what is causing the problems. I wish they'd put the polytrack at Santa Anita right now. They should leave Hollywood alone.

#4 07-16-2006, 05:00 PM

Polytrack is a brand name. Not all copy machines are made by Xerox. Not all tissues are made by Kleenex. Not all sugary carbonated drinks are made by Coke. Not all artificial racing surfaces are made by Polytrack.

Hollywood Park is installing a new surface. Call it an artificial surface. Call if by it's brand name which is Cushiontrack. Call it Bob for all I care.

It isn't Polytrack.

packerbacker7964 · #5 07-16-2006, 05:26 PM

I'll call it "I'll never bet a damn dime on it Track" . This $hit will be the start of the end of horse racing and the breeding sheds mark my words.

2Hot4TV · #6 07-16-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

I'll call it "I'll never bet a damn dime on it Track" . This $hit will be the start of the end of horse racing and the breeding sheds mark my words.

Consider them marked.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #7 07-16-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

I'll call it "I'll never bet a damn dime on it Track" . This $hit will be the start of the end of horse racing and the breeding sheds mark my words.

I hate the stuff too. Why is Hollywood Park going to the surface? If they are looking to prevent further breakdowns, they are going about it in the wrong way. It's most likely not the surface...

2Hot4TV · #8 07-16-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I hate the stuff too. Why is Hollywood Park going to the surface? If they are looking to prevent further breakdowns, they are going about it in the wrong way. It's most likely not the surface...

It's the law! The California horse racing board pass a ruling that if you want racing dates in this state you will have a approved artificial surface installed by 2008.

#9 07-16-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I hate the stuff too. Why is Hollywood Park going to the surface? If they are looking to prevent further breakdowns, they are going about it in the wrong way. It's most likely not the surface...

Once Hollywood Park was sold by Churchill to Bay Meadows Development Corporation there were serious questions about how committed the new owners were to racing.

Racing dates are not owned by the tracks. They are assigned by the state. Hollywood Park's dates are desired by Magna (who owns Santa Anita), the Los Angeles County Racing Association (who runs the Fairplex meet at Pomona and wants to expand that track if HP closes), and a private group that wants to expand Los Alimito's racetrack south of Los Angeles to accomadate more t-bred racing (also if HP closes).

The current owners of HP saw that the state would likely mandate synthetic surfaces. They were the first in line for a synthetic surface because they could see the writing on the wall. Unless they wanted to risk losing racing dates to a potential competitor, they would need to show their committment to racing by installing the synthetic surface.

The good news (at least if you want to see racing continue at HP) is that Bay Meadows Developement is commited enough to continued racing to make the investment.

2Hot4TV · #10 07-16-2006, 09:19 PM

It is also an effort to get owners across the nation to ship and race in California. The purse money is already here and now the notion of we don't want to race on those hard tracks in California is a thing of the past. Dislike California all you want , but the fact is you are seeing the future of horse racing. Artificial racing surfaces are here.

#11 07-16-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

I'll call it "I'll never bet a damn dime on it Track" . This $hit will be the start of the end of horse racing and the breeding sheds mark my words.

So there is not going to be anymore breeding in the horse industry?

packerbacker7964 · #12 07-16-2006, 11:13 PM

No I'm saying noone will pay top dollar for a horse unproven on this $hit over time. Half of the tracks will be Poly and the other half will be dirt. Give a dirt track over the others anysay of the week. We've been over this a 1,000 times. What ever floats your boat people. I just know that people who bet lots ans lots of cash hate this $hit. Now you'll be getting less bang for your buck and so will the track. If Turway wans't so damn lazy and actually took care of the track they'd have less breakdowns IMOP. I'll just keep betting tracks who have a good track like Lone Star, Belmont, Churchill, Gulfstream, Oaklawn and Toga. The hell with the rest of them with that Poly Bull****. Patrick B had a nice 2yearold training over the Turfway track turning bullet after bullet on the Poly runs up the track so far at Churchill it isn't even funny. just like Lawyer Ron ran up the track at Turfway others will follow.

sumitas · #13 07-16-2006, 11:23 PM

It is the future of horse racing and we'll just have to deal with it. It may not be the ultimate solution to horse health but it's in the right direction, imo.

Pointg5 · #14 07-17-2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

It is also an effort to get owners across the nation to ship and race in California. The purse money is already here and now the notion of we don't want to race on those hard tracks in California is a thing of the past. Dislike California all you want , but the fact is you are seeing the future of horse racing. Artificial racing surfaces are here.

This stuff will have the opposite effect, Frankel can't get out of there quick enough and head to New York. Owners that pay all of that money for that horse flesh, only to watch the horse spin their wheels in it, will ship out of town and you'll probably see some of the bigger trainers like Baffert follow Frankel's path East. It may actually have a positive effect, California Racing is god awful, so if their best horses ship East, it'll make for a better overall racing product, which is fine with me. California is such a messed up state, I can't believe they actually passed a law to make this stuff mandatory, I would really trust the California politicians to know what's best for the racing industry, they seem to screw everything else up....

2Hot4TV · #15 07-17-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

This stuff will have the opposite effect, Frankel can't get out of there quick enough and head to New York. Owners that pay all of that money for that horse flesh, only to watch the horse spin their wheels in it, will ship out of town and you'll probably see some of the bigger trainers like Baffert follow Frankel's path East. It may actually have a positive effect, California Racing is god awful, so if their best horses ship East, it'll make for a better overall racing product, which is fine with me. California is such a messed up state, I can't believe they actually passed a law to make this stuff mandatory, I would really trust the California politicians to know what's best for the racing industry, they seem to screw everything else up....

Ya, but the weathers great. The only thing we don't have is one of ya'lls FEMA express offices.

#16 07-17-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

No I'm saying noone will pay top dollar for a horse unproven on this $hit over time. Half of the tracks will be Poly and the other half will be dirt. Give a dirt track over the others anysay of the week. We've been over this a 1,000 times. What ever floats your boat people. I just know that people who bet lots ans lots of cash hate this $hit. Now you'll be getting less bang for your buck and so will the track. If Turway wans't so damn lazy and actually took care of the track they'd have less breakdowns IMOP. I'll just keep betting tracks who have a good track like Lone Star, Belmont, Churchill, Gulfstream, Oaklawn and Toga. The hell with the rest of them with that Poly Bull****. Patrick B had a nice 2yearold training over the Turfway track turning bullet after bullet on the Poly runs up the track so far at Churchill it isn't even funny. just like Lawyer Ron ran up the track at Turfway others will follow.

See I view it as a great handicapping test. The prices at Turfway were awesome this past meet. A good handicapper will be able to view figures and past performances from PolyTrack and dirt to their favor. Saying you arent going to wager on PolyTrack Tracks shows me that you are unwilling to take the time to learn how to handicap this surface. I think it is easy and had a successful time handicapping Turfway. Also, it helped me score HUGE on Lemons Forever in the Oaks. You also have to remember that Lawyer Ron didnt fair so well when he went to Keeneland and Churchill. I honestly think Lawyer Ron is an overrated horse (but I would like to own him). Take this as a challenge as a handicapper. If you can figure out an angle, then you can pad your pockets.

Pointg5 · #17 07-17-2006, 09:25 AM

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See I view it as a great handicapping test. The prices at Turfway were awesome this past meet. A good handicapper will be able to view figures and past performances from PolyTrack and dirt to their favor. Saying you arent going to wager on PolyTrack Tracks shows me that you are unwilling to take the time to learn how to handicap this surface. I think it is easy and had a successful time handicapping Turfway. Also, it helped me score HUGE on Lemons Forever in the Oaks. You also have to remember that Lawyer Ron didnt fair so well when he went to Keeneland and Churchill. I honestly think Lawyer Ron is an overrated horse (but I would like to own him). Take this as a challenge as a handicapper. If you can figure out an angle, then you can pad your pockets.

Kycher,

Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland, how can you say he didn't fair well and also, he ran at turf at Churchill, not his preferred surface. There's no rhyme or reason to poly track, the numbers and figures are all over the place, it's pure garbage and the racing in Kentucky sucks...

#18 07-17-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Kycher,

Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland, how can you say he didn't fair well and also, he ran at turf at Churchill, not his preferred surface. There's no rhyme or reason to poly track, the numbers and figures are all over the place, it's pure garbage and the racing in Kentucky sucks...

Show me the race Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron raced in a Maiden Allowance race on 10/21/05 and finished 3rd. I dont think he ever won a race at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron started on turf at Ellis and he didnt fair well at all on Turf. He lone "dirt" race in Kentucky is the one I mentioned above.

There is a pattern to Turfway. It is just hard to find it.

Pointg5 · #19 07-17-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Show me the race Lawyer Ron won at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron raced in a Maiden Allowance race on 10/21/05 and finished 3rd. I dont think he ever won a race at Keeneland. Lawyer Ron started on turf at Ellis and he didnt fair well at all on Turf. He lone "dirt" race in Kentucky is the one I mentioned above.

There is a pattern to Turfway. It is just hard to find it.

A maiden allowance race? wtf is that?

He won in the slop at Keeneland, beat He's a Slow Salt...

He was undefeated on dirt, until the Kentucky Derby...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #20 07-17-2006, 09:49 AM

Here is the chart for Lawyer Ron's maiden win at Keeneland...

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2006/de.../chart_msw.pdf

This is the most underrated horse in the U.S. right now because everyone says he is overrated. How many times did he beat Steppenwolfer? How many? Three. What happened to Lawyer Ron in the Derby? He finished 12th. Logic would say that something had to have happened to him since that "slow" horse coming out of OP Steppenwolfer finished third and LR finished a distant 12th because LR is a much better horse than Steppenwolfer. Gee, could it be that Holthus had been running the horse into the ground with a chip in which he had surgery on immediately after the Derby? I wonder...