It happened again! (End tote malfunction)

[golfer]

Past posting at Aqueduct yesterday:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01042008...g_a_727368.htm

[cmorioles]

Cannon says don't worry about it. No big deal, it was a one time thing.

[Kasept]

From Jerry Bossert's column in the Daily News:

According to a press release issued by the NYRA, the stewards followed standard procedure, pressing the button to end wagering just as the first race was about to begin, but the stop order did not register, the NYRA alleges.

"We know that only $81 came in on-track after the race went off, resulting in one winning daily double ticket that returned $11.40," said NYRA Executive VP and COO Hal Handel. "However, we cannot tell what kind of late wagering, if any, was done off-site."

The back-up system in the tote room also malfunctioned, according to NYRA.

"The failure to end wagering at the proper time is absolutely unacceptable," Handel stated. "We have conducted an internal investigation regarding the two malfunctions and will improve the process in both the steward's stand and the tote room."

[SentToStud]

Just how much can you improve "process?"

Push button when race starts.... button don't work.... Yell, "Oh, S**t".... Start pulling plugs.

It's not process, it's technology.

What did they actualy have do to get wagering stopped?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01042008...g_a_727368.htm

When this issue was originally brought up, we were told this was a one time incident and to "get over it." So my question is, what happened here, and is it possible this is happening a lot more than people think?

Of course it is happening a lot more than people think. The technology in this game is so outdated in every facet of the sport it boggles the mind.

Cannon said it isn't. I'll believe him instead of some National Enquirer-esque story in the Post.

[Cannon Shell]

I guess I was wrong. Since it seems to be such a big problem, maybe you guys should just wait till the race starts to make your bets.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I guess I was wrong. Since it seems to be such a big problem, maybe you guys should just wait till the race starts to make your bets.

We should just ignore it I guess. No big deal, business as usual. Fuk the bettors. We wouldn't want to move to 1990s technology just yet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

We should just ignore it I guess. No big deal, business as usual. Fuk the bettors. We wouldn't want to move to 1990s technology just yet.

I doubt that you personally are "doing" anything about the problem. If so please enlighten me to your contributions other than criticism of me personally.

If this issue is too great for you to overcome maybe you should abandon horse racing until the problem is solved and focus your energies on the Belgium bobsledding team.

Oh boy.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This response sucks. The reason you were brought up, is because the first time this was brought up you said it was a one time thing and "get over it." Well obviously it is not a one time thing. It's a problem, plain and simple and another way bettors are getting screwed. Who cares though right? Not like the bettors matter as you have demonstrated here. What would you like the bettor to do to solve this problem? Please, enlighten me.

Just admit that he's right...because that's really what it's all about.

[philcski]

Past posting is more than a chronic annoying issue, it's a detriment to the game. How many times does a front runner's odds drop at the 1/4 pole? They virtually NEVER go up midrace, which debunks the tracks' claim that it's due to late money not tallied yet. Obviously someone with a lot of capital has access to the pools past the time the gates open more than some crappy "expose" of some schmucks betting $81 on an even money shot and it getting caught by the track.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This response sucks. The reason you were brought up, is because the first time this was brought up you said it was a one time thing and "get over it." Well obviously it is not a one time thing. It's a problem, plain and simple and another way bettors are getting screwed. Who cares though right? Not like the bettors matter as you have demonstrated here. What would you like the bettor to do to solve this problem? Please, enlighten me.

Oh get off your high horse. I said that "they said it was a one time thing" and I had no reason not to believe them. This was at Aqueduct which is not the Fair Grounds last I looked. You both act as I have something to do with the problem. The problem I'm sure has been around as long as tote systems have been around and most likely occurs less now than ever. The difference is that now information is much more readily available and people, like me, are becoming more aware of the issue.

The bettors 'dont matter crap' is tiresome. In the entire history of horseracing the bettors have never been considered or listened to more than they are now. Are things perfect? Of course not, but if you look back 20 years you will see things have improved considerably.

As a horseman should I chastise you if you bet with an off shore acount that pays a rebate? I mean you are betting on the product that we put on yet we are receiving no revenue from it. Do you feel guilty that you are hurting the sport for your own personal gain? It goes both ways, dude.

As for what you can do? Write letters, document your wagering and say it will be moved to other locations if the problem isn't addresses. Bring it up on these boards before it is written about in the paper. Call in to Steve's radio show and air your gripes in public. Start a petition that gets big enough that it gets some publicity. Or just bitch at me and whine that bettors are getting screwed and keep on betting.

That sucks

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Past posting is more than a chronic annoying issue, it's a detriment to the game. How many times does a front runner's odds drop at the 1/4 pole? They virtually NEVER go up midrace, which debunks the tracks' claim that it's due to late money not tallied yet. Obviously someone with a lot of capital has access to the pools past the time the gates open more than some crappy "expose" of some schmucks betting $81 on an even money shot and it getting caught by the track.

The odds drop in most cases because the money getting bet late off track takes time to get into the system, not because people are betting at the 1/4 pole. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it goes on 60 second cycles which obviously are too long.

Oh this was at a different track so you're still right.

Yeah we should do a million degenerate gambler march on Washington to get our message across.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Oh this was at a different track so you're still right.

Yeah we should do a million degenerate gambler march on Washington to get our message across.

Or you can do nothing and make witty internet posts.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or you can do nothing and make witty internet posts.

Yeah that's what I'll do because I don't work for a racetrack and it isn't my job to update Windows NT for the stupiD *********** that you defend.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I doubt that you personally are "doing" anything about the problem. If so please enlighten me to your contributions other than criticism of me personally.

If this issue is too great for you to overcome maybe you should abandon horse racing until the problem is solved and focus your energies on the Belgium bobsledding team.

First off, I'm not from Belgium. Second, I do my share. I write to those that might help. I've written to many racetracks when there are issues. As an example, I've written to Churchill about there ridiculous odds drops at Calder. I've written to Suffolk about the lack of turf fractions. They haven't fixed it, so I don't bet turf races there. I've written to Gulfstream too many times to count about phony times and timer malfunctions, i.e. missing fractions and final times. Ditto for Lone Star. I've also had several letters to the editor published in the DRF. It doesn't mean I can't share my feelings on a message board as well, does it? What more should I do? Take time out from bobsled practice and fly back home and picket at the latest offending track?

It is true that I do SOME wagering off shore. Why? Well, the main reason is because the sport doesn't allow me to bet onshore while residing in Belgium, with the exception of two companies. This despite being very much an American citizen. Guess what, those two don't cover all the tracks. Do you know why I am aware of what is happening at a large number of tracks? Because I bet nearly ALL of them.

I don't know you personally, so I hardly have any dislike for you. What I do dislike is the attitude you displayed the "first" time this happened. As I said before, this isn't the only message board on the net, and there is one very popular one where past posting of wagering has long been a topic.

Why a guy in your position would tell a guy like me, that bets a lot, to stop wagering is beyond me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah that's what I'll do because I don't work for a racetrack and it isn't my job to update Windows NT for the stupid %&*^$%&*% that you defend.

Who defended anyone?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who defended anyone?

I dunno the tote system and whatnot just appears out of thin air at racetracks everyday. lol