toga story

deltagulf · #1 12-19-2007, 08:03 PM

toga article in thoroughbred times.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...oric-site.aspx

blackthroatedwind · #2 12-19-2007, 08:07 PM

It's a good move by them. I was surprised when I heard a while ago that the Saratoga Historical Society didn't have control of the property. However, assuming NYRA stays there is nothing to worry about.

Saratoga is very tough. If you live in an historical district you need to submit plans to a planning board for any facade changes you wish to make on your home. Plus, next time you're in town take a look at the sign for the Holiday Inn. It's as small as it is for a reason. They work very hard there to keep the place looking as good as it does.

Scav · #3 12-19-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Saratoga is very tough. If you live in an historical district you need to submit plans to a planning board for any facade changes you wish to make on your home. Plus, next time you're in town take a look at the sign for the Holiday Inn. It's as small as it is for a reason. They work very hard there to keep the place looking as good as it does.

And I like that. A town like Saratoga Springs could turn into a marketing whore if there weren't restrictions on advertising and signage.

Rudeboyelvis · #4 12-19-2007, 09:40 PM

There's an apparent reason for the action...let's pray that isn't a reactive response to something already in the works, anything is possible at this point....Domino's Pizza Racetrack at Saratoga ...I'd rather slit my wrists

blackthroatedwind · #5 12-19-2007, 09:42 PM

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There's an apparent reason for the action...let's pray that isn't a reactive response to something already in the works, anything is possible at this point....Domino's Pizza Racetrack at Saratoga ...I'd rather slit my wrists

While the fears are unfounded, because NYRA is going to continue to run racing in NY State, the reporting has been so mediocre that it's understandable that many fear the likes of Capital Play and Empire and what they could attempt to do to the track in Saratoga.

Think of it as a preemptive move.

ALostTexan · #6 12-19-2007, 10:34 PM

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And I like that. A town like Saratoga Springs could turn into a marketing whore if there weren't restrictions on advertising and signage.

I went to Sedona, AZ this summer, and it was embarrassing how man can ruin a beautiful place like that. Marketing everywhere you looked, with shops, hotels, and parking lots as far as you can see. Glad that Saratoga makes attempts to keep it historic...

Rudeboyelvis · #7 12-19-2007, 10:56 PM

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I went to Sedona, AZ this summer, and it was embarrassing how man can ruin a beautiful place like that. Marketing everywhere you looked, with shops, hotels, and parking lots as far as you can see. Glad that Saratoga makes attempts to keep it historic...

Sedona is a year round destination - Saratoga Springs rolls up the streets 46 weeks of the year...plus most of the property in and around town is land-banked by the purists...you just go two exits north of town on the Thruway for the big box plague

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Scav · #8 12-20-2007, 12:58 AM

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I went to Sedona, AZ this summer, and it was embarrassing how man can ruin a beautiful place like that. Marketing everywhere you looked, with shops, hotels, and parking lots as far as you can see. Glad that Saratoga makes attempts to keep it historic...

Come see the RED rocks that we have

blackthroatedwind · #9 12-20-2007, 07:13 AM

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Sedona is a year round destination - Saratoga Springs rolls up the streets 46 weeks of the year...plus most of the property in and around town is land-banked by the purists...you just go two exits north of town on the Thruway for the big box plague

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You're way underestimating how busy Saratoga is a lot of the year. No, not as busy as August, but still incredibly busy for a small town.

ddthetide · #10 12-20-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Sedona is a year round destination - Saratoga Springs rolls up the streets 46 weeks of the year...plus most of the property in and around town is land-banked by the purists...you just go two exits north of town on the Thruway for the big box plague

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you don't want to see saratoga turn into gettysburg of the 60's and early 70's. it took gettysburg along time to get the laws in place to reclaim the town and battlefield. although the developers are pushing the borders as close as they can.

saratogabrit · #11 12-20-2007, 08:00 AM

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Sedona is a year round destination - Saratoga Springs rolls up the streets 46 weeks of the year...plus most of the property in and around town is land-banked by the purists...you just go two exits north of town on the Thruway for the big box plague

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I thought just that before I started visiting in the off-season prior to buying property there.

Try getting a breakfast downtown on a Sunday morning-any weekend of the year-and you'll be in for a long wait. Despite the Country Corner Cafe opening the new 100 seater place on High Rock in 06 and expanding Church St by 40 covers in 2007-both places have lines to get in by 9am. At the same time Uncommon Grounds-which had a huge expnsion in 07-is totally full and has a line virtually out into the street. Same story at Beverleys, Shirleys and even Comptons.

For starters the town is jam-packed pretty much every weeked of the year. Asides from the 6 weeks of the racing season-there's the 3 weeks of the ballet season and the town has a very strong Chamber of Commerce and large conventions take place virtually all year round in the City Centre-such as the "Dance Flurry" when around 5000 dancers descend on the town during a weekend in mid-February. As well as that events like the "Victorian Walk"-the Thursday after Thanksgiving and "Chowder Fest" in early Feb-atttract thousands into the town.

saratogabrit · #12 12-20-2007, 08:38 AM

The Conservation Areas are very well defined-especially around the racetrack. There are a number of Bed and Breakfasts on Union Avenue-from the Union Gables to the ones that are on Union Avenue between the Springwater and the Racing Museum.

They are allowed to have B&B signs and vacany/no vacancy signs etc-but the B&Bs/guesthouses on Nelson Av are strictly forbidden to have any signs outside their establishment.

I've always wondered if that "Arabella at the Track" place with its signs and room for rent sign is breaking the rules-as they surely must be bound by the same rules as Nelson Ave?

Rudeboyelvis · #13 12-20-2007, 09:29 AM

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I thought just that before I started visiting in the off-season prior to buying property there.

Try getting a breakfast downtown on a Sunday morning-any weekend of the year-and you'll be in for a long wait. Despite the Country Corner Cafe opening the new 100 seater place on High Rock in 06 and expanding Church St by 40 covers in 2007-both places have lines to get in by 9am. At the same time Uncommon Grounds-which had a huge expnsion in 07-is totally full and has a line virtually out into the street. Same story at Beverleys, Shirleys and even Comptons.

For starters the town is jam-packed pretty much every weeked of the year. Asides from the 6 weeks of the racing season-there's the 3 weeks of the ballet season and the town has a very strong Chamber of Commerce and large conventions take place virtually all year round in the City Centre-such as the "Dance Flurry" when around 5000 dancers descend on the town during a weekend in mid-February. As well as that events like the "Victorian Walk"-the Thursday after Thanksgiving and "Chowder Fest" in early Feb-atttract thousands into the town.

Togabrit/ BTW - My apologies, I was trying to compare (very poorly, I would add) the contrast between the 6 weeks during the meet and the balance of the year, and how Sedona is more of a year-round destination. That's not to say that Saratoga isn't a bustling place; it certainly is.

blackthroatedwind · #14 12-20-2007, 11:33 AM

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Togabrit/ BTW - My apologies, I was trying to compare (very poorly, I would add) the contrast between the 6 weeks during the meet and the balance of the year, and how Sedona is more of a year-round destination. That's not to say that Saratoga isn't a bustling place; it certainly is.

Not apology worthy....I am about to go up for three days and am wondering what the hell I'm going to do to amuse myself.

It's certainly not Sedona but I think a lot of people don't realize that it doesn't die during the rest of the year. 20 or more years ago it pretty much did, but fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't anymore.

GPK · #15 12-20-2007, 12:04 PM

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Not apology worthy....I am about to go up for three days and am wondering what the hell I'm going to do to amuse myself.

It's certainly not Sedona but I think a lot of people don't realize that it doesn't die during the rest of the year. 20 or more years ago it pretty much did, but fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't anymore.

Andy...you are in luck. Toga harness is in full swing right now.