Corinthian or Bernardini

#1 07-10-2006, 03:02 PM

Both of the horses have tons of ability and are lightly raced. Which do you think will have a better career?

Pointg5 · #2 07-10-2006, 03:05 PM

Not even close, Bernardini in a landslide...

Where is all of this talent I am missing on Corinthian?

Nice horse, but not in the same league as Bernardini...

Gander · #3 07-10-2006, 03:06 PM

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

#4 07-10-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

Its not really Corinthian's fault nor Jerkens fault that he suffered a fracture.
Flower Alley had quite an active campaign at age three, much moreso than most of the top three year olds in this business ever have. I believe he raced 10 times at age three. Tim do you wanna compare that number of starts with recent top three year olds? I think you will find it very high.

#5 07-10-2006, 03:09 PM

Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.

dr. fager · #6 07-10-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

Not too mention they both have 4 starts to their careers....

to me roll the dice, how can you predict...we haven't seen enough of either.

irishtrekker · #7 07-10-2006, 03:10 PM

I've loved Corinthian from the start, so I'll keep defending him. If he stays healthy, I think he'll be tough to beat, even for Bernardini.

ateamstupid · #8 07-10-2006, 03:12 PM

I haven't seen too much of Corinthian, but I doubt any 3-year-old (or older horse for that matter) touches Bernie around two turns.

Downthestretch55 · #9 07-10-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Really, Corinthian runs about as frequently as Flower Alley, LOL

LOL! Tim. You know as well as I do that he's being brought back in a cautious manner by Jim J. The injury might have ended his career.
At this point, I'd have to vote for Bernardini. But I'll just have to wait and see. Corinthian might be just ready enough to give us all a thrilling Travers if Bernardini shows up there. I'm patient.
This could be worth the wait.

#10 07-10-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

LOL! Tim. You know as well as I do that he's being brought back in a cautious manner by Jim J. The injury might have ended his career.
At this point, I'd have to vote for Bernardini. But I'll just have to wait and see. Corinthian might be just ready enough to give us all a thrilling Travers if Bernardini shows up there. I'm patient.
This could be worth the wait.

A horse coming back from injury with one prep race has zero chance against Bernardini. Bernardini is an AP Indy. He probably is going to just keep getting better. The older horses are the only horses with a shot at him, and I don't even see them beating him. His Preakness was as good as Barbaro's Derby.

Gander · #11 07-10-2006, 03:18 PM

I was kidding, my point was its hard to get excited about Corinthian until he runs. We can dream all we want but lets save the discussion for when he actually runs.

Gander · #12 07-10-2006, 03:19 PM

I am pretty sure I know better than anyone else on here the severity of Corinthian's injury. Geez.

#13 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

[quote=boldruler]Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.[/QUOTE}

Well Corinthian did cross the finish line 1st in the FOY. Of course he did get disqualified. I think that it is about equal between the two horses. Bernardini did win a depleated Preakness field. Should be interesting if Corinthian comes back healthy.

#14 07-10-2006, 03:28 PM

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Corinthian is just an allowance winner. Bernardini is a potential superstar horse. He might turn out to be his main competition though next year. I think both we will back as 4yr olds.[/QUOTE}

Well Corinthian did cross the finish line 1st in the FOY. Of course he did get disqualified. I think that it is about equal between the two horses. Bernardini did win a depleated Preakness field. Should be interesting if Corinthian comes back healthy.

Corinthian has a ton of talent. Might be a great horse one day but Bernardini has already proven his is a great horse. His last two wins displayed talent that very few horses have had in a years. His Preakness was as good as they get.

Gander · #15 07-10-2006, 03:43 PM

Lets not get carried away. That was one of the worst Preakness fields ever. Add in that the best horse broke down and Brother Derek nearly fell on him, and you have a very inconsequential outcome.

Before you deem Bernardini great, he has to do more. Before that he beat Luxemburg who just came back recently and got clobbered by a horse not even mentioned when you talk about good 3 year olds- Fabulous Strike.

#16 07-10-2006, 03:46 PM

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Lets not get carried away. That was one of the worst Preakness fields ever. Add in that the best horse broke down and Brother Derek nearly fell on him, and you have a very inconsequential outcome.

Before you deem Bernardini great, he has to do more. Before that he beat Luxemburg who just came back recently and got clobbered by a horse not even mentioned when you talk about good 3 year olds- Fabulous Strike.

Tim I dunno how you judge races but Luxembourg wasn't clobbered. he was beaten a couple of lengths off the layoff in a race that went in wicked fast time after being left at the gate. It was a very nice race for him to build on to stretch out. He wasn't going to ring him out in an allowance race off the layoff with a sharp lone speed horse going short.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #17 07-10-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Lets not get carried away. That was one of the worst Preakness fields ever. Add in that the best horse broke down and Brother Derek nearly fell on him, and you have a very inconsequential outcome.

Before you deem Bernardini great, he has to do more. Before that he beat Luxemburg who just came back recently and got clobbered by a horse not even mentioned when you talk about good 3 year olds- Fabulous Strike.

Competition doesnt matter IMO due to the way he did it. Final quarter in 24:34. Rocketed to the front for Castellano - plus I dont consider this field (Sweetnorthernsaint, Bro Derek, Like Now) that weak - 2 of the Derby favorites right there.

#18 07-10-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Lets not get carried away. That was one of the worst Preakness fields ever. Add in that the best horse broke down and Brother Derek nearly fell on him, and you have a very inconsequential outcome.

Before you deem Bernardini great, he has to do more. Before that he beat Luxemburg who just came back recently and got clobbered by a horse not even mentioned when you talk about good 3 year olds- Fabulous Strike.

I am well aware of Fabulous Strike, he helped put $1K in my pocket that day. Luxemburg really is not a 6F horse in my opinion and FS is one of the best out there. Bernardini is great. As good as Barbaro.

#19 07-10-2006, 03:49 PM

To be precise the race went in 1:08:3 and he was beaten 3 1/4 lengths. Thats a pretty nice performance off a little layoff at a distance that was not his forte. I think Lux will be super tough the next time he runs in a stretchout race.

Gander · #20 07-10-2006, 03:49 PM

True Mike, very true. He obviously has him pointing towards bigger 2 turn races down the line. I shouldnt have used the word clobbered giving the situation with the layoff and the short distance. For a comeback race it was fine and he was gaining ground, albeit the race was over, in deep stretch.