1983 KD post parade

[golfer]

Sorry to steal from the Thorograph board, but for those to don't go there, this video is too good!

Howard Cosell giving the 1983 Kentucky Derby Post Parade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jz4c...elated&search=

[Cajungator26]

Caveat sure was on his toes, wasn't he? Hard to believe I wasn't even 3 yet.

[RolloTomasi]

In my opinion:
Slew O Gold and Caveat looked best in the parade. Desert Wine would have made the cut, too, but he seemed off on the right foreleg.

Marfa walked with purpose but was unimposing physically. Sunny's Halo was also forward in his walk, but wasn't particularly on the muscle.

Explosive Wagon was a big longshot that looked great warming up.

Chumming walked unsound on the right front, Freezing Rain was lame on the left front. Current Hope was another that didn't seem 100%.

Fact:
I would have lost my ass betting this race off the post parade.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Fact:
I would have lost my ass betting this race off the post parade.

Me too!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hard to believe I wasn't even 3 yet.

My guess is that some of those horses weren't yet 3 years old either. As long as you were dropped in 1980 you would have been eligible to run.

[sumitas]

Good stuff. They actually had the camera angle where you could see the horse. And the announcers were all super. Howard and Jim McKay and Hartack.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

My guess is that some of those horses weren't yet 3 years old either. As long as you were dropped in 1980 you would have been eligible to run.

I'm sure she wasn't "dropped"

[Danzig]

jim mckay could teach todays guys a thing or two!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

In my opinion:
Slew O Gold and Caveat looked best in the parade. Desert Wine would have made the cut, too, but he seemed off on the right foreleg.

Marfa walked with purpose but was unimposing physically. Sunny's Halo was also forward in his walk, but wasn't particularly on the muscle.

Explosive Wagon was a big longshot that looked great warming up.

Chumming walked unsound on the right front, Freezing Rain was lame on the left front. Current Hope was another that didn't seem 100%.

Fact:
I would have lost my ass betting this race off the post parade.

please don't tell me you judge a horse by how he moves on a video?!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

please don't tell me you judge a horse by how he moves on a video?!

You got to take what you can get when there's only 8 minutes to post...

Not to mention I've never had ringside seats to the Kentucky Derby.

The camera only adds about 10 pounds anyway. Considering the typical body weight of a normal racehorse, that amount is negligible...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

please don't tell me you judge a horse by how he moves on a video?!

Because we all know that EVERYTHING is better on video.

What happened to Sunny's Halo after this? My pedigree book doesnt say. This is a race I probably watched but cannot remember anything about it, probably too much partying. From what I gather Caveat did not always fire but could close with a rush once in a while.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You got to take what you can get when there's only 8 minutes to post...

Not to mention I've never had ringside seats to the Kentucky Derby.

The camera only adds about 10 pounds anyway. Considering the typical body weight of a normal racehorse, that amount is negligible...

i was just kidding with you, making a bit of a joke about another (former?) poster...

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by easy goer

What happened to Sunny's Halo after this? My pedigree book doesnt say. This is a race I probably watched but cannot remember anything about it, probably too much partying. From what I gather Caveat did not always fire but could close with a rush once in a while.

The '83 is the first Derby I remember seeing. I remember I picked Sunny's Halo to win and Desert Wine to run second because they were my two favorite names out of the bunch. My first straight exacta!

My granddad picked Caveat, who came back to win the Belmont. Here's the NYTimes article from 1983 on that race- I'll cut and paste. Poor Caveat- even his trainer didn't think much of him...

Steve Crist, June 12, 1983

<<The winner of the third leg of the Triple Crown was tipped off everywhere you looked yesterday: all over the program, on the infield flowerbeds, on the starting gate, on the sign at the front of the track and on the name of the race itself. In the Belmont Stakes at Belmont Park yesterday, the winner was Caveat, a colt owned by August Belmont 4th, in whose family's honor the race and the track are named.

The 115th Belmont had shaped up as a two-horse race between Caveat and Slew o' Gold, and that's exactly how it was developing as the field turned for home. Then Laffit Pincay and Caveat bulled their way through on the rail, rushed past Slew o' Gold on the inside, and won by 3 1/2 widening lengths. The winner was clearly best.

Caveat paid $7.20 for $2 to win as the second choice of the crowd of 60,397 in a record field of 15. Slew o' Gold, the slight favorite at 5 to 2, finished 1 3/4 lengths ahead of Barberstown, who nosed out Megaturn and High Honors, the third choice at 9-2, for third place. Deputed Testamony, the Preakness winner and fourth choice at 9-1, was another half-length back in sixth.

The winning time of 2:27 4/5 for the mile and a half was relatively undistinguished over a very fast track that was yielding superior times all day.

Immediately after the finish, the Belmont stewards posted the inquiry sign and studied the films of the far turn, when Caveat twice brushed against Au Point as he whisked past him on the inside. Slew o' Gold, who had taken the lead briefly, seemed to be squeezing them both on the rail, and Pincay appeared to have gone through a very narrow opening. But the stewards decided the brushing had been negligible and let the result stand.

This was the second straight Belmont victory for Pincay and for Woody Stephens, the winning trainer, who teamed up with Conquistador Cielo to win the race last year. Caveat - the Latin word for ''let him be warned'' or just ''a warning'' - is owned in partnership by Belmont and by James Ryan's Ryehill Farm, which bred the son of Cannonade and Cold Hearted. Caveat earned his owners $215,100 from a record purse of $358,500.

Two days before the race, Stephens said that this year's 3-yearolds were ''not much'' and that ''there are no Conquistador Cielos'' in the Belmont field. Stephens does not put Caveat in the same league with Conquistador Cielo and many of the other stakes winners he has trained. Until he won the Derby Trial April 30, in fact, Caveat had no victories in 11 races on the dirt.

Since then, however, the colt seems to have improved. He won the Derby Trial, finished a fast-closing third in the Kentucky Derby, then easily defeated older allowance horses in a Belmont tune-up. Stephens says he still believes that Caveat's real future is in racing on the grass, where his lack of early speed is not as much of a disadvantage.

''He's really come around over his last three races,'' Pincay said, but Stephens was already warning not to expect too much from the winner.

''He's about as fit as can be right now, and he's not going to get much better,'' the trainer said. The large crowd wagered a New York record of $7,895,946 at the track. They were drawn by a strong nine-race card that featured five stakes races, but the Belmont was, of course, the main attraction.

There was a race within the race on the tote board for the favorite's role. In the early betting, Caveat opened at 2-1 and Slew o' Gold was 7-2, but the crowd gradually knocked them both to 5-2 on the board and gave Slew o' Gold the edge. They may have been impressed that I Enclose, who had finished second by 12 lengths to Slew o' Gold in the Peter Pan two weeks ago, won the Colin Stakes immediately preceding the Belmont.

Caveat was more popular at the 24 other tracks around the country that conducted wagering on the race. At 23 of them, Caveat paid less than the Belmont win price, the lone exception being Evangeline Downs in Louisiana. Au Point Is Early Leader

The race went off cleanly as the field broke from two linked starting gates, necessary to accommodate the overflow field. Au Point, who broke from post 15 on the far outside, quickly assumed the lead and opened up four lengths after a first quarter in 23 2/5 seconds. Deputed Testamony was in second place briefly, then Slew o' Gold moved through after breaking from the rail to be second by a length at a half-mile in 47 2/5. Au Point still led by a length after a mile in 1:36 2/5, but then Cordero went to work on the favorite.

But while Slew o' Gold was gradually reaching the lead from the outside, Caveat was gaining even more ground under Pincay on the rail. Caveat, as usual, was far back early, in 11th place and 18 lengths behind the leaders after half a mile. But he looked like a winner as he and Pincay zoomed into the stretch turn. The colt did not hesitate as Pincay steered him through the narrow opening inside Au Point, who was tiring quickly.

When they straightened away in the stretch, Caveat went right by Slew o' Gold, and no one was gaining any ground on him at the finish. Pincay and Gregg McCarron, who rode Au Point, both blamed the crowding at the quarter pole on Cordero, who was tightening things up when Slew o' Gold took the lead. Cordero later said he had done nothing improper - ''just good race-riding,'' he called it - and the stewards agreed that no jockey was at fault.

El Cubanaso, a hopelessly outclassed colt who ran as part of the mutuel pool, broke down when he fractured his right front knee in the stretch. A decision will be made today on whether it is possible to save the colt as a stallion. A Year of Inconsistency

This was the second straight year in which a different horse won each of the Triple Crown races and in which no horse even started in all three races. Sunny's Halo, who won the Kentucky Derby, finished sixth in the Preakness, and Deputed Testamony, the Preakness winner, finished sixth yesterday.

Sunny's Halo was held out of the Belmont because his handlers did not think he could handle a mile and a half at this point in his career. He runs today at Arlington Park in the nine-furlong Arlington Classic.

Caveat, Sunny's Halo and Slew o' Gold might hook up in a definitive rematch in the Travers Stakes at Saratoga Aug. 13. Caveat was the eighth different winner of the nine Grade I stakes for 3-year-olds this year. >>

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The '83 is the first Derby I remember seeing. I remember I picked Sunny's Halo to win and Desert Wine to run second because they were my two favorite names out of the bunch. My first straight exacta!

>>

WOW, what a red board! LOL.. J/K

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

WOW, what a red board! LOL.. J/K

Hee hee hee hee.

Unfortunately, I wasn't old enough to wager. I got a scratch off lottery ticket for picking the winner (no exotics wagering at Grandpa's- win bets only), and won $5.00. Seeing as how Sunny's Halo went off at 5/2, I was told it was appropriate. Although I also didn't understand what "5/2" meant.

[MISTERGEE]

what i noticed most was them saying how many had just run the week before, now all of a sudden they can only run a few times a year. what the hell happened?

[sumitas]

Sunny's Halo--- (Halo/Mostly Sunny-Sunny)
Desert Wine--- (Damascus/Anne Campbell-Never Bend)
Caveat--- (Cannonade/Cold Hearted-The Axe)
Slew O'Gold--- (Seattle Slew/Alluvial-Buckpasser)
Marfa --- (Foolish Pleasure/Gray Matter-Stratmat)
Play Fellow --- ( On The Sly/Play For Keeps-Run For nurse)
Pax In Bello--- (Hold Your Peace/Chicanery-Pretense)
Country Pine--- (His Majesty/Mountain Sunshine-Vaguely Noble)
Balboa Native*--- (Native/Royalty-Diamond Till-Model Fool)
Paris Prince*--- (Exclusive Native/Dancer's Countess-Northern Dancer)
Current Hope*--- (Little Current/Kahoolawe-Warfare)
Chumming--- (Alleged/Gulls Cry-Sea Bird)
Freezing Rain--- (It's Freezing/All's Well-Well Mannered)
My Mac--- (Minnesota Mac/ My Mom Nullah-My Dad George)
Explosive Wagon--- (Explodent/Gypsy Wagon-Conastoga)
Parfaitement--- (Halo/Double Axle-The Axe)
Highland Park*--- (Raise A Native/Old Goat-Olden Times)
Luv a Libra--- (Diplomat/Lip Talk-Assagai)
Law Talk--- (Wardlaw/Tellinoid-Captains Gig)
Total Departure*--- (Greek Answer/Lifestyle-Manifesto)

the * means the horse is tail male to either Northern Dancer or Raise A Native. I believe almost the whole field in this year's KD was tail male to Raise A Native or Northern Dancer which might give a clue that durability is taking a hit. It also shows that the crosses and inbreeding of Raise A Native/ and Northern Dancer are bred more today. So, as usual, the dam does have her 50% influence.

[sumitas]

The 2007 KD , for example;

Street Sence (Street Cry/Bedazzle-Dixieland Band) Mr Pospector/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x4.

Hard Spun (Danzig/Turkish Tryst- Turkoman) Raise A Native/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x 2.

Curlin (Smart Strike/Sheriffs Deputy- Deputy Minister) Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer cross. Native Dancer x 2.

Circular Quay (Thunder Gulch/Circle Of Life- Belong To Me) Mr Propspector/Northern Dancer cross. Raise A Native x 3. Native Dancer x 6.

Tiago (Pleasant Tap/Set Them Free- Stop The Music) Pleasant Colony/Hail To Reason crooss. Devoid of Northern Dancer, Mr Prospector.

**Play Fellow won the 1983 Travers.

[Pedigree Ann]

Ah, the famous 'Fighting Finish' of the '31 Derby.. No DQ, jocks equally at fault so they let the result stand. The winner was, by the way, the last maiden to win the Kentucky Derby