High School Graduation Rates By Cities Report

[SentToStud]

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...files.h26.html

It's almost unbelieveable. 70% nationwide graduate but the major cities are almost all very poor.

The worst 10 school districts:

%
Grad City Size Rank

24.9 Detroit 15
34.1 Cleveland 48
34.6 Baltimore 31
44.4 Dallas 14
45.2 New York City 1
45.3 Los Angeles 2
46.1 Milwaukee 29
46.3 Denver 45
49.0 Miami-Dade County, Fla. 4
49.6 Philadelphia 8

[Cajungator26]

Thanks for posting this, B... this is alarming.

This is easily resolved. The listed school districts should hire Victor Molina. He'll kickstart these kids in the right direction.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Well, I blame the whole property tax system...

Badoom-cha!

Well, at least Detroit leads in something.

[Seattleallstar]

we should look at what groups arent graduating rather than looking at numbers like that at major cities, we should closely analyze what those numbers really mean, so we can remedy the problem

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

we should look at what groups arent graduating rather than looking at numbers like that at major cities, we should closely analyze what those numbers really mean, so we can remedy the problem

Seattle,
I agree but I think we already know....and we also know how to change things, but it won't happen.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...files.h26.html

It's almost unbelieveable. 70% nationwide graduate but the major cities are almost all very poor.

The worst 10 school districts:

%
Grad City Size Rank

24.9 Detroit 15
34.1 Cleveland 48
34.6 Baltimore 31
44.4 Dallas 14
45.2 New York City 1
45.3 Los Angeles 2
46.1 Milwaukee 29
46.3 Denver 45
49.0 Miami-Dade County, Fla. 4
49.6 Philadelphia 8

Those are probably graduating seniors %'s. The following suggests that it is probably worse than what you posted.

The Freshman class in most High Schools is the largest class.
Now if you take the number of Freshman that you started with, and then look at how many kids graduate... those numbers would be much lower.

There is a big lost group that no one ever talks about. The Freshman class at the High School where I teach was right at 1000. The number of kids that graduated was 760. Our official % graduation for the senior class was around 95%, in other words we had very few seniors that did not graduate.

Where did all those freshman go? You might expect the ones that left for whatever reason (moving, etc...) would be replaced by others moving in. But they are not. So what happened to the net 240 kids? Ya just dont hear about that.

Well at 16 years old in this state you can quit High School.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Those are probably graduating seniors %'s. The following suggests that it is probably worse than what you posted.

The Freshman class in most High Schools is the largest class.
Now if you take the number of Freshman that you started with, and then look at how many kids graduate... those numbers would be much lower.

There is a big lost group that no one ever talks about. The Freshman class at the High School where I teach was right at 1000. The number of kids that graduated was 760. Our official % graduation for the senior class was around 95%, in other words we had very few seniors that did not graduate.

Where did all those freshman go? You might expect the ones that left for whatever reason (moving, etc...) would be replaced by others moving in. But they are not. So what happened to the net 240 kids? Ya just dont hear about that.

Well at 16 years old in this state you can quit High School.

It said they followed freshman all the way through. Of 100 9th graders, 90 made it to 10th grade, 81 to 11th grade, 76 to 12th grade and 70 grduated. The report said that in Texas, Florida and Deleware of the 9th graders who didn't graduate, most of those dropped between 9th and 10th grade.

And it is an absolutely vicious cycle in low income urban areas. The only real way out of this predicament is education. But parents who have not been successful using the education pathway do not instill this in their children. So you have a bunch of kids coming to school that see no value in what they are doing.

And to get good teachers in the war zones... In my city, one of the highest paying districts is one of the worst in the city. Teachers last about 2 years max. If they are young they often become totally cynical and quit. If they do last, and they are good, they move to the burbs to teach. Only extraordinary individuals can last in some of these schools for 20 years plus.

Jaime in "Stand and Deliver" in LA lasted a very short time as well... if anybody remembers that movie. He had a great conflict between his family and all the kids he was trying to help also. It was too much.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It said they followed freshman all the way through. Of 100 9th graders, 90 made it to 10th grade, 81 to 11th grade, 76 to 12th grade and 70 grduated. The report said that in Texas, Florida and Deleware of the 9th graders who didn't graduate, most of those dropped between 9th and 10th grade.

Again I need to read. THanks STS. That makes me feel a bit better. We are shadier with the numbers down here. And I have brought this up. But districts dont want to publish this hidden graduation rate.

And as I look down the article, sure enough Texas Freshman just flee. And the district I teach in is the 46th largest in the nation and growing more rapidly than any in Texas. Time to leave most likely. That is way too big.

[Storm Cadet]

STS, with all due respect...graduation rates in this and any other study are USUALLY flawed.

The Cumulative Promotion Index (CPI) used to measure graduation rates in this report estimates the percent of 9th grade students who will receive a high school diploma four school years later. Multiplying the CPI for 2003-04 by the number of 9th graders enrolled that year, we can project the expected number of graduates and nongraduates for the 2006-07 school year.

In my business, the NCAA and the Chronicle of Higher Education counts the graduation rates of all Div 1 schools with this similar flawed system. They count each frosh who enters and then counts each kid that graduates. You would think thats OK right?

But what about the kids that transfer, we can't count that kid. We have NO way to know if a kid who transfers graduates or not. AND we are not allowed to count transfers in who DO graduate.That kid is NOT counted by either institution. The kids that leave early for pro baseball, football and hoops count AGAINST you in your grad rates. They might return to school in 2-3 years during the off season to finish their degree, BUT they don't count as grads. Kids that leave because of financial reasons or family reasons and then come back to graduate AFTER their class counts against you.

Yes we have those bandit schools that NEVER graduate a kid in 4 years...but many times those stats are misleading.

In public schools, how many kids leave HS without a diploma BUT go to a prep school for their 5th year to improve and to better themselves for college. That doesn't count. I know many kids start in public schools in NYC, then go to prep or catholic schools. They are counted as NON grads in this study because the public school has no way to track the students progress at their new institution even though they did graduate on time!

This study was on one of the national talk shows this past week. The city of Detroit strongly disagreed with this studies numbers. They had their kids at I think 70%. The leader of this study couldn't on national TV discuss the criteria on how he got these numbers and the circumstances regarding the kids who left early in the Detroit study. He couldn't remember a simple thing like if a kids family MOVED out of the city to the suburbs, did his study still count the kid as a NON grad where Dertroit public schools DID NOT count him as a non grad. The kid didn't drop out...he moved away from the school district.

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

Sure I'm concerned...we should strive for the golden 100% rate, but it's just as bad as the schools that have HIGH grad rates and their kids still KANT SPELLE! I deal with college kids EVERY day that graduated from HS and they are brutal academically. The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

STS, with all due respect...graduation rates in this and any other study are USUALLY flawed.

The Cumulative Promotion Index (CPI) used to measure graduation rates in this report estimates the percent of 9th grade students who will receive a high school diploma four school years later. Multiplying the CPI for 2003-04 by the number of 9th graders enrolled that year, we can project the expected number of graduates and nongraduates for the 2006-07 school year.

In my business, the NCAA grad rates of all Div 1 schools are very flawed. They count each frosh who enters and then counts each kid that graduates. You would think thats OK right?

But what about the kids that transfer, we can't count that kid. We have NO way to know if a kid who transfers graduates or not. AND we are not allowed to count transfers in who DO graduate.The kids that leave early for pro baseball, football and hoops count AGAINST you in your grad rates. They might return to school in 2-3 years during the off season to finish their degree, BUT they don't count as grads. Kids that leave because of financial reasons or family reasons and then come back to graduate AFTER their class counts against you.

Yes we have those bandit schools that NEVER graduate a kid in 4 years...but many times those stats are misleading.

In public schools, how many kids leave HS without a diploma BUT go to a prep school for their 5th year to improve and to better themselves for college. That doesn't count. I know many kids start in public schools in NYC, then go to prep or catholic schools. They are counted as NON grads in this study because the public school has no way to track the students progress at their new institution even though they did graduate on time!

This study was on one of the national talk shows this past week. The city of Detroit strongly disagreed with this studies numbers. They had their kids at I think 70%. The leader of this study couldn't on national TV discuss the criteria on how he got these numbers and the circumstances regarding the kids who left early in the Detroit study. He couldn't remember a simple thing like if a kids family MOVED out of the city to the suburbs, did his study still count the kid as a NON grad where Dertroit public schools DID NOT count him as a non grad. The kid didn't drop out...he moved away from the school district.

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

Sure I'm concerned...we should strive for the golden 100% rate, but it's just as bad as the schools that have HIGH grad rates and their kids still KANT SPELLE! I deal with college kids EVERY day that graduated from HS and they are brutal academically. The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

Thanks. All you wrote makes a lot of sense. Like any study with numbers, it's all in the methodology and it's to be viewed on that basis. I'm sure that there are more students leaving the Detroit schools for other Districts than there are moving in, etc...

[Mortimer]

The pure personification of brilliance. "main course"

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As you know...I have always been one of your main admirers here...sir.


And I do award you 35 AndyPandas.







Your work is top grade.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

The pure personification of brilliance. "main course"

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As you know...I have always been one of your main admirers here...sir.


And I do award you 35 AndyPandas.







Your work is top grade.

My work is so bad it's ungradable. Incredibly I am not one of the non-high school graduates listed here. I guess I"m so old when I went to high school they just gave anyone diplomas.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

How many kids leave the public school and join the military and get their GED there. I highly doubt this study counts them in and is that so bad a thing to do?

A GED isn't counted because a GED isn't a diploma.

Excellent points, though.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My work is so bad it's ungradable. Incredibly I am not one of the non-high school graduates listed here. I guess I"m so old when I went to high school they just gave anyone diplomas.

I have found otherwise.




I'm just a part time jacka s s .

I found your NBA work admirable.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

I have found otherwise.




I'm just a part time jacka s s .

I found your NBA work admirable.

Full time failure. Part time jacka s s. How ever do you find the time?

I am finding you somewhat amusing today. Keep up the good work.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Full time failure. Part time jacka s s. How ever do you find the time?

I am finding you somewhat amusing today. Keep up the good work.

I never said I was a full time failure.


You don't really know the fraction breakdowns on my failure and jack a s s time.



It's a lot less than 70% when added together.


And finding me somewhat amsuing today will never get you into MORTY'S GIRLS.

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

The foreign kids we get to my University are MUCH more advanced academically than our domestic students who get HS diplomas. Our whole system is broken down. IMO

We do not cull our students in the US. Everyone, including Morton, is not only allowed, but required to spend some amount of time in secondary school. THis is clearly not the case in other countries. The Kid with Down Syndrome can attend public schools. What do they do with these kids in other countries. Check out Russia. You would be appalled.

I will put our very best students from my High School up against the very best from any other country... Math, Science, you name it. There are some top notch kids in public schools. This I promise. Its just the gap between the extremely motivated bright kids, and the unmotivated grows every year. And dont beat the public schools up on this.

I would describe our system of education as a mirror of our society. It works very well for those of means and desire. Just like our society. Now I will say that we put very little emphasis on good teaching. But I feel that good teachers eventually find their way to schools with a clientele willing to learn. Although I think it should be easier to let teachers who dont give a damn go.

[SentToStud]

[quote=mortimerdexterfoxworthy]I never said I was a full time failure.


You don't really know the fraction breakdowns on my failure and jack a s s time.



It's a lot less than 70% when added together.


And finding me somewhat amsuing today will never get you into MORTY'S GIRLS.[/QUOTE]

It's good to have hard to reach goals. It's sort of like banking that 3rd million dollars. It's not supposed to be easy.