Trainer-Jockey angle

[Downthestretch55]

I'm not sure that this belongs in this forum, but I've seen this before and commented on it.
Any time Coa rides for Contessa, something good happens.
I saw that in the 8th today, Coa rode for Contessa. Metro Meteor- winner.
Just a "heads up". When you see Coa/Contessa, well...take it from there.
It's a combination that brings out the best.

[XIIPointStables]

Off topic, but I've noticed (and hit) and a bunch of Contessa "Mud Calks" horses.

I don't even know what mud calks are or if I'm spelling it right, but its hit for me a few times, especially when Gryder was still in NY.

[Swale84]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Off topic, but I've noticed (and hit) and a bunch of Contessa "Mud Calks" horses.

I don't even know what mud calks are or if I'm spelling it right, but its hit for me a few times, especially when Gryder was still in NY.

Contessa usually runs all of his horses with mud caulks on

[Rupert Pupkin]

The good thing nowadays is that all these stats are listed in the DRF. The combination of Contessa/Coa has won at a 16% clip in 2006-2007. The ROI with this combination is $1.56 for every $2.00 wagered. That means you would lose 22% on your money if you wagered on this combination every time in the last 1 1/2 years. The mutual take in New York is about 15% on WPS bets. That means that you would lose 15% on your money with the average trainer/jockey combination. Since you would lose 22% on your money with Contessa/Coa, that means that this has not been a good combination to bet on over the last 1 1/2 years. If you were an owner and had horses with Contessa, you couldn't complain about the Contessa/Coa combination over the last 1 1/2 years. Winning at a 16% clip is not bad. That is better than average. It's just from a betting perspective that the ROI is not very good with that combination.

I can't find any data on the Levine/Prado combo.

[Rudeboyelvis]

They were money at BEL last fall, and the first part of the inner....Don't know if they've had a falling out since, or if his stable isn't what it was, but Alan Garcia seems to be getting the majority of the rides these days, and doing quite well on them.

Mud calks are small cleats that they add to the shoe for bite. Depending on the step of the horse, they may use quarter inch bended shoes instead.

Contessa uses them almost exclusively at BEL unless there is a reason the horse won't take to them.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The good thing nowadays is that all these stats are listed in the DRF. The combination of Contessa/Coa has won at a 16% clip in 2006-2007. The ROI with this combination is $1.56 for every $2.00 wagered. That means you would lose 22% on your money if you wagered on this combination every time in the last 1 1/2 years. The mutual take in New York is about 15% on WPS bets. That means that you would lose 15% on your money with the average trainer/jockey combination. Since you would lose 22% on your money with Contessa/Coa, that means that this has not been a good combination to bet on over the last 1 1/2 years. If you were an owner and had horses with Contessa, you couldn't complain about the Contessa/Coa combination over the last 1 1/2 years. Winning at a 16% clip is not bad. That is better than average. It's just from a betting perspective that the ROI is not very good with that combination.

I can't find any data on the Levine/Prado combo.

Rupert,
Thanks for taking the time to explain.
I can't argue with the numbers and stand corrected.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I'm not sure that this belongs in this forum, but I've seen this before and commented on it.
Any time Coa rides for Contessa, something good happens.
I saw that in the 8th today, Coa rode for Contessa. Metro Meteor- winner.
Just a "heads up". When you see Coa/Contessa, well...take it from there.
It's a combination that brings out the best.

Contessa-Garcia-Winning Move stable crushed the Aqueduct meet. I expect the same next year.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by philcski

Contessa-Garcia-Winning Move stable crushed the Aqueduct meet. I expect the same next year.

I think the owner part of the combo is the most important factor. All the trainer , jock and jock/trainer percentage and ROI info is all very well organized and widely available and, in essence, is worked into the tote board. . The owner part of the equation is not but it's very important; to me, the most significantespecially in claiming races and at mid-level tracks. Formulator helps here if you use it but I tried it and it's cumbersome. It takes me a lot of time to track this and keep it current where I play but I think it's worthwhile. It's also a big reason I find it unwise to play more than one circuit.

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I think the owner part of the combo is the most important factor. All the trainer , jock and jock/trainer percentage and ROI info is all very well organized and widely available and, in essence, is worked into the tote board. . The owner part of the equation is not but it's very important; to me, the most significantespecially in claiming races and at mid-level tracks. Formulator helps here if you use it but I tried it and it's cumbersome. It takes me a lot of time to track this and keep it current where I play but I think it's worthwhile. It's also a big reason I find it unwise to play more than one circuit.

Yes, I think we fans of Maggi Moss can attest to that

Hello, first time post. Whenever the racetrack is sloppy or muddy, no matter if it is Sar/Aqu/Bel, Gary Contessa seems to do extremely well. I personally look forward to those days and have cashed some nice tickets with this trainer.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by dillon

Hello, first time post. Whenever the racetrack is sloppy or muddy, no matter if it is Sar/Aqu/Bel, Gary Contessa seems to do extremely well. I personally look forward to those days and have cashed some nice tickets with this trainer.

Welcome Dillon.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Did Garcia and Contessa have a little falling out? He rode none of Contessa's horses yesterday and is named on none today.

Don't know but Channing Hill is on the WM/Contessa in the 1st on Belmont Day, normally I would think Garcia would get that mount.

Thanks, glad to be here.