Tin Man/Better Talk Now

deltagulf · #1 06-14-2007, 10:45 AM

Does not look like he ("BTN") will run in arlington mill. would love to see these two old salts go at it.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/85755.html

slotdirt · #2 06-14-2007, 11:19 AM

Particularly interesting given they are absolutely polar opposites in running style.

dearheart54 · #3 06-14-2007, 01:08 PM

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Particularly interesting given they are absolutely polar opposites in running style.

Most (if not all) of the horses who raced against The Tin Man in the Million last year were polar opposites, and all were behind him. I hope to see both Tin Man and BTN in the race. I might even drag myself out of the Million Room to the grandstand area that day, just to see the showdown.

ninetoone · #4 06-14-2007, 01:20 PM

I like The Tin Man, but he stole that race last year. I doubt a similar scenario plays out this year. I'd love to see those two go at it too...My $ will be on BTN though.

dearheart54 · #5 06-14-2007, 01:30 PM

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I like The Tin Man, but he stole that race last year. I doubt a similar scenario plays out this year. I'd love to see those two go at it too...My $ will be on BTN though.

I don't think he stole the race last year. He may have set a slow pace in the Million, but no horse seemed to be in a particular hurry to pass him at any point during the race, including at the finish line

ninetoone · #6 06-14-2007, 01:35 PM

I consider it a steal when you set fractions of 50 & 1:15 w/not much pressure & then hold off the closers...but I'm happy for him. He's a cool horse. I just don't think that scenario will play out again anytime soon.

dearheart54 · #7 06-14-2007, 01:44 PM

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I consider it a steal when you set fractions of 50 & 1:15 w/not much pressure & then hold off the closers...but I'm happy for him. He's a cool horse. I just don't think that scenario will play out again anytime soon.

Oh, I don't know about that. He seemed to do pretty well in the Shoemaker on Memorial Day at Hollywood. I think he won that race in good fashion

ninetoone · #8 06-14-2007, 01:50 PM

The Shoemaker was a great race for him (still was a slow pace), but you're talking apples and oranges. He wasn't on the lead the whole way...what do you consider a "steal"?

dearheart54 · #9 06-14-2007, 02:01 PM

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The Shoemaker was a great race for him (still was a slow pace), but you're talking apples and oranges. He wasn't on the lead the whole way...what do you consider a "steal"?

One word - Giacomo. It was fortunate I bet on him anyway, as well as Closing Argument.

As for last year's Million, I was waiting for all those other horses to pass him, and none of them did. So who does one fault for The Tin Man 'stealing' the race? Causes me to ponder.

ninetoone · #10 06-14-2007, 02:08 PM

Giacomo "stole" the race in the Derby? Somebody out there help me out here w/some horse racing terminology 101.

Honu · #11 06-14-2007, 02:16 PM

I love it !!!!!! The Tin Man has everyone guessing , in his defense about the Million last year , it was all jockey error behind him, they all thought the old fart would stop but they werent smart enough to even realize that their horses were about to break into a jog they were going sooooo slow. Now with him winning from a little off the pace in his first race back its got people wondering what hell do next time, well Ill tell you what he will do next time, whatever the rider wants, if the pace is hot hell let em go if its slow he will cruise to the lead , to Tinny it doesnt matter he just enjoys running .

dearheart54 · #12 06-14-2007, 02:18 PM

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Giacomo "stole" the race in the Derby? Somebody out there help me out here w/some horse racing terminology 101.

You know, it's just my opinion; you have yours, I have mine. I thought this was going to be an interesting and friendly conversation, but the last comment told me otherwise. Have a nice day and good luck in all your racing endeavors.

estreetposse · #13 06-14-2007, 02:23 PM

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I love it !!!!!! The Tin Man has everyone guessing , in his defense about the Million last year , it was all jockey error behind him, they all thought the old fart would stop but they werent smart enough to even realize that their horses were about to break into a jog they were going sooooo slow. Now with him winning from a little off the pace in his first race back its got people wondering what hell do next time, well Ill tell you what he will do next time, whatever the rider wants, if the pace is hot hell let em go if its slow he will cruise to the lead , to Tinny it doesnt matter he just enjoys running .

How about bringin' the ol' guy up to the Spa...would love to see him in person(or is it in horse) it's a great thing for him to keep getting the job done!!!

Cajungator26 · #14 06-14-2007, 02:27 PM

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You know, it's just my opinion; you have yours, I have mine. I thought this was going to be an interesting and friendly conversation, but the last comment told me otherwise. Have a nice day and good luck in all your racing endeavors.

I think he was trying to point out that when a horse 'steals' a race it's done while on the front end.

dearheart54 · #15 06-14-2007, 02:33 PM

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I think he was trying to point out that when a horse 'steals' a race it's done while on the front end.

Thank Caj. I do understand what was said, I just didn't quite like the tone of that post. It reminded me of the tone I got from Dabosshoss the first time I replied to a post. I guess my skin isn't as thick as my skull apparently is. I should perhaps go back to viewing posts for a while.

And thanks for the tip a while back about Cotton Blossom. I won some nice money on her Saturday.

Cajungator26 · #16 06-14-2007, 02:35 PM

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Thank Caj. I understood what was said, I just didn't quite like the tone. It reminded me of the tone I got from Dabosshoss the first time I replied to a post.

And thanks for the tip a while back about Cotton Blossom. I won some nice money on her Saturday.

Yeah, I hear you... sometimes it's tough to get a good read while on message boards. I get what you're trying to say as well... Giacomo sure as heck stole the race from me. I didn't have him on any ticket!!! LOL

Glad that you cashed on Cotton Blossom... really like that filly.

ninetoone · #17 06-14-2007, 02:39 PM

I wasn't trying to be condescending & I apologize if it came off that way...but terminology is terminology, it's not "you have your opinion & I have mine"...it is what it is. Thanks for the clarification Cajun!

dearheart54 · #18 06-14-2007, 02:40 PM

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Yeah, I hear you... sometimes it's tough to get a good read while on message boards. I get what you're trying to say as well... Giacomo sure as heck stole the race from me. I didn't have him on any ticket!!! LOL

Glad that you cashed on Cotton Blossom... really like that filly.

When I saw her name on the program, I thought of you and said, put some money on her. Cajun said so!

ninetoone · #19 06-14-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I love it !!!!!! The Tin Man has everyone guessing , in his defense about the Million last year , it was all jockey error behind him, they all thought the old fart would stop but they werent smart enough to even realize that their horses were about to break into a jog they were going sooooo slow. Now with him winning from a little off the pace in his first race back its got people wondering what hell do next time, well Ill tell you what he will do next time, whatever the rider wants, if the pace is hot hell let em go if its slow he will cruise to the lead , to Tinny it doesnt matter he just enjoys running .

Is it me or are the jockey's "clocks" not what they used to be 10-20-30 years ago?

dearheart54 · #20 06-14-2007, 02:46 PM

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I wasn't trying to be condescending & I apologize if it came off that way...but terminology is terminology, it's not "you have your opinion & I have mine"...it is what it is. Thanks for the clarification Cajun!

I did overreact a bit, but I was burned badly with my first posting experience, so I tend to think that most people are out to make me look like an idiot. In any event, thanks for the apology, although as I look back on the notes, I looked like the idiot. I'm thinking I'll need that Terminology 101 now. Thought I understood all the terms, but apparently not.