Street Sense not out of Belmont yet!

[letswastemoney]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/85117.html

[fpsoxfan]

I saw that article earlier. It would be interesting if the big three come back. I'd be quite surprised though. Also it might be a case of be careful what you wish for. Do we want a big field..which would be the case(as many as 12 I've heard) if one or two of the big three dont' show....or......do we want a smaller field with the big three being in...Am I making any sense?
Personally I would love to see a rematch....So does NYRA.

[letswastemoney]

Nobody is going to watch it if the big 3 don't come back.

Having a small field, but with the big 3, would be the best thing to happen as long as the horses all come out of the Preakness okay. I would love it as well.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I just want Rags To Riches in the race.....

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable

I just want Rags To Riches in the race.....

Would also be interesting....Why not? She'd make a good showing.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just want Rags To Riches in the race.....

I would point her to the Alabama, why go for the Belmont?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MisterB

why go for the Belmont?

Because she can win it.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because she can win it.

Ehehee.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because she can win it.

Maybe, but why ruin her doing it. Shugs horse was never the same horse after that race. She ran 3rd, but never ran that good after. This seems like a bad choice to me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Maybe, but why ruin her doing it. Shugs horse was never the same horse after that race. She ran 3rd, but never ran that good after.

I disagree.

Shug's horse (My Flag) won the Grade 1 Coaching Club American Oaks by open lengths in her next start after the Belmont. She also won the Grade 1 Gazelle three starts after her 3rd place finish in the Belmont.

As far as from a speed figure standpoint, My Flag ran a 100 Beyer in her 3rd place finish in the Belmont Stakes. She ran five more times that year, and her figures were 102, 97, 98, 103, and 100.

I wouldn't call that ruined.....but, I did have to actually go back and look her up to remember everything that happened for sure.

I just got Smart Strike confused with another Ontario bred horse who came from Woodbine (Langfuhr) in another post earlier today....I'm slipping a little with my memory from these mid-90's horses.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I disagree.

Shug's horse (My Flag) won the Grade 1 Coaching Club American Oaks by open lengths in her next start after the Belmont. She also won the Grade 1 Gazelle three starts after her 3rd place finish in the Belmont.

As far as from a speed figure standpoint, My Flag ran a 100 Beyer in her 3rd place finish in the Belmont Stakes. She ran five more times that year, and her figures were 102, 97, 98, 103, and 100.

I wouldn't call that ruined.....but, I did have to actually go back and look her up to remember everything that happened for sure.

I just got Smart Strike confused with another Ontario bred horse who came from Woodbine (Langfuhr) in another post earlier today....I'm slipping a little with my memory from these mid-90's horses.

I like the idea of the coaching club, and the Alabama for RTR. They are just scrambling around now for a triple crown race. Better for her I think.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How are they scrambling around for a race? She won the Oaks which was 2 weeks ago. As of now they are waiting to see who is pointing to the Belmont, to decide if they are going to send her. If the top 3 go, she's not going. It hardly seems as though they are scrambling, or even rushing to get a race.

Not the horse, the connections failures. It is them, not her.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How are they scrambling around for a race? She won the Oaks which was 2 weeks ago. As of now they are waiting to see who is pointing to the Belmont, to decide if they are going to send her. If the top 3 go, she's not going. It hardly seems as though they are scrambling, or even rushing to get a race.

Do you think they ever consider this move if they had any success with their prior horse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

She belongs in the race and can very much win it.

I don't buy that it will have a negative effect on her career or might ruin her.

It's true she doesn't gain all that much from a commercial value standpoint, because shes a filly, but....I have a feeling she runs regardless of who elses goes.

If she wins--I really hope the press doesn't get carried away with the Pletcher angle and make this out to be some great training job.

[lemoncrush]

Although anything is possible, I don't see anyone in the 3-yo filly division touching RTR, so why not try the Belmont?

She has nothing left to prove against her class. It makes more sense to me for her to face 3-yo boys in the Belmont going 1-1/2 now when she clearly can get the distance, and then take on older fillies and mares later this fall.

As far as the big 3, I would welcome all 3 back if it didn't scare away RTR and colts who should be formidable going 1-1/2 like Sightseeing, Great Hunter and Tiago.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She belongs in the race and can very much win it.

I don't buy that it will have a negative effect on her career or might ruin her.

It's true she doesn't gain all that much from a commercial value standpoint, because shes a filly, but....I have a feeling she runs regardless of who elses goes.

If she wins--I really hope the press doesn't get carried away with the Pletcher angle and make this out to be some great training job.

Are you part owner

She was put on the bench in Cal. with the Boys, on the bench for the Derby, but now she belongs. Yea, because they are out of ammo, and win at any cost.
OK

I hope she runs in the Belmont. The longer they wait to run her against the boys, the more likely she is to lose.

[MisterB]

From no shot to all the shots

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10280

Originally Posted by MisterB

From no shot to all the shots

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10280

The funniest thing about that thread is seeing PG1985's signature.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Are you part owner

She was put on the bench in Cal. with the Boys, on the bench for the Derby, but now she belongs. Yea, because they are out of ammo, and win at any cost.
OK

I'm obviously not her part owner.

I said all along she'd run in the Kentucky Oaks and it was the right spot for her.

Being by a Belmont Stakes winner and out of a Dam who dropped a Belmont Stakes winner, the 12 furlong Belmont Stakes isn't a bad spot for her at all. If she's ever going to beat the top 3-year-old males, I believe it will be in the Belmont Stakes.

I don't see how this is "win at all costs....and put the best intrest of the horse 2nd" Rags to Riches is unarguably the top filly in her division, and she simply has a very legit chance to win that race.

As for your theory that running in the Belmont Stakes will ruin a filly, the two fillies who ran in the 90's (My Flag and Silverbulletday) had a combined record of 6-5-0-1 in there next three starts following their Belmont Stake defeats. Four of those five were Grade 1 wins, the other was a Grade 2.

I don't just want to see R2R in the race, from a fan standpoint---but, I'd seriously consider betting on her in that spot.