Curlin - help here

whodey17 · #1 05-03-2007, 02:43 PM

I am trying to find a reason to like the horse and a reason not to like him and their are great arguements for both. However, I have watched his 3 races and it seems to me that he sort of lugs out when coming down the stretch. It seems like he is looking at the grandstand. Am I imaging this or does someone else this this as well?

Hickory Hill Hoff · #2 05-03-2007, 02:45 PM

Simple...didn't start as a juvenile and only three lifetime starts...
if he's wins...I'll tip my hat, but at a "short" price...I'll let him beat me!

whodey17 · #3 05-03-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Simple...didn't start as a juvenile and only three lifetime starts...
if he's wins...I'll tip my hat, but at a "short" price...I'll let him beat me!

I tend to agree with you on this. Be hard to take him at 4 or 5 to 1.

alysheba4 · #4 05-03-2007, 02:57 PM

he might make that look like the biggest gift since barbaro.......

parsixfarms · #5 05-03-2007, 03:20 PM

I can't bet him to win at a short price. However, if you like any longshots to hit the board, I think you leave him out of the bottom of your triples and supers at your own peril. Remember, this is a 20 horse field. If any longshot sneaks into the gimmicks, they become huge, and I think it's a mistake to totally toss him.

pointman · #6 05-03-2007, 03:22 PM

I do not think that Curlin will be the post time favorite, think it will be much like last year and Street Sense will end up being favored. As far as Curlin being 5-1, it may be the last time you will get odds on him like that.

Cajungator26 · #7 05-03-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

I do not think that Curlin will be the post time favorite, think it will be much like last year and Street Sense will end up being favored. As far as Curlin being 5-1, it may be the last time you will get odds on him like that.

Some good stuff here... I can't help but laugh.

I hope that this horse is as good as you guys believe him to be. I'd love to see another triple crown winner... with that said, if he loses and loses big, I'm going to have a field day reading some of these posts. If he wins, I'll be on here eating crow.

parsixfarms · #8 05-03-2007, 03:28 PM

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As far as Curlin being 5-1, it may be the last time you will get odds on him like that.

With the way they rushed him to the Derby, it wouldn't shock me if the Derby is the last time you'll be able to get odds on him (ala Pulpit and Indian Charlie).

brianwspencer · #9 05-03-2007, 03:29 PM

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Some good stuff here... I can't help but laugh.

I hope that this horse is as good as you guys believe him to be. I'd love to see another triple crown winner... with that said, if he loses and loses big, I'm going to have a field day reading some of these posts. If he wins, I'll be on here eating crow.

I think at this point gross superlatives in either direction are unwarranted. He's been flawless so far, no doubt, but I don't think we really know just how good he is. He may very well finish tenth, and he may very well scamper off to win by four.

If he is just that good, then perhaps this is the last time we'll get good odds on him. But if he's not and his wins have been because of other factors, then we'll learn that in short order. I honestly don't see a reason why anyone on either side of the opinion will need to "eat crow," because it has nothing to do with you disliking the horse or anything -- just that there is a very legit case made for both sides.

Cajungator26 · #10 05-03-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think at this point gross superlatives in either direction are unwarranted. He's been flawless so far, no doubt, but I don't think we really know just how good he is. He may very well finish tenth, and he may very well scamper off to win by four.

If he is just that good, then perhaps this is the last time we'll get good odds on him. But if he's not and his wins have been because of other factors, then we'll learn that in short order. I honestly don't see a reason why anyone on either side of the opinion will need to "eat crow," because it has nothing to do with you disliking the horse or anything -- just that there is a very legit case made for both sides.

Because I'm tossing him. By me actually tossing him and not using him ANYWHERE, that makes for a crow eating fest if he wins. I'll be the one wearing the dunce cap.

pointman · #11 05-03-2007, 03:46 PM

Cajun, I don't really see why anyone would have to eat crow, everyone is just expressing their opinions. In my mind the Derby is one race that you can get odds on horses and prices on exotics that you don't in other races. I just don't agree with those that argue that he should be tossed because his odds are not good enough in this race. Sure, you may play against a horse in a race because they are 3-5 and there is no value. But is 4-1 or 5-1 no value? I can see those who wish to toss Curlin because they believe he doesn't have enough experience, the post is bad, or they feel he hasn't faced any real competition, etc. But if you think the horse is good, and I honestly don't see anyone in this field that has as much potential upside as Curlin with tactical speed, why toss him at these odds? We all know that in a 20 horse field anything can happen, there are a million ways to lose this race, only one way to win. I do not guarentee he will win, but I will have him on my tickets.

randallscott35 · #12 05-03-2007, 03:47 PM

I think the Curlin supporters will get 6-1 or better. Just a hunch.

Cannon Shell · #13 05-03-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I think the Curlin supporters will get 6-1 or better. Just a hunch.

where?

randallscott35 · #14 05-03-2007, 03:57 PM

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where?

Look if you feel Street Sense will go off the fave by a good margin and Nobiz will be taking lots of money, he will drift up and be 5-1 or better. Again, just think people seem to have more questions for him that other horses.

Cajungator26 · #15 05-03-2007, 04:00 PM

Kinda off topic, but it sounds like Justin Dew is tossing Street Sense and Curlin. LOL

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/blog/justindew/rules

Cannon Shell · #16 05-03-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Kinda off topic, but it sounds like Justin Dew is tossing Street Sense and Curlin. LOL

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/blog/justindew/rules

maybe they are stiff

brianwspencer · #17 05-03-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Kinda off topic, but it sounds like Justin Dew is tossing Street Sense and Curlin. LOL

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/blog/justindew/rules

Well he also likes Sedgfield. Tread lightly.

somerfrost · #18 05-03-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

maybe they are stiff

I will leave Curlin off my bets, the lack of foundation and experience is a lot to overcome and I'll wager he doesn't....IF he wins the Derby, he instantly elevates to superhorse...I wouldn't be disappointed because that would certainly bring the TC back into play...but I would be surprised!

Antitrust32 · #19 05-03-2007, 04:14 PM

the only reason Cajun would need to eat a crow is because she said "if Curlin wins I'll eat a crow!!"

Cajungator26 · #20 05-03-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the only reason Cajun would need to eat a crow is because she said "if Curlin wins I'll eat a crow!!"

If Curlin finishes in front of Scat Daddy, SUMWON I know will be drinking a 12 pack of Miller Chill on me.

He better run up the track! LOL