The Jockeys further alienate themselves

[blackthroatedwind]

Here's Matt Hegarty's article for Sunday's DRF...


http://www.drf.com/news/article/78943.html


If you're a subsrciber to DRF I also recommend Steve Crist's column about this story ( sorry I can't print that link ). I don't have time to get further into this but this is quite a blindsided attempt by the jockey's to take as much out of racing as they possibly can after refusing to offer a mere pittance to contribute to their catostrophic insurance earlier in the year.

[TalkToTheHoof]

Crist ends his editorial by saying that the Bill has little chance of reaching the House Floor by year end. He also adds that it might be the impetus needed to get everyone to the bargaining table quickly to settle the insurance issue, "so that no similar federal legislation ever sees the light of day".

Here's the link to the 'subscribers only' article.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=78922

[Cannon Shell]

I would hope that people are smart enough to realize that a 50% reduction in the horsemans take of simulcast revenues would simply be the end of most racing jurisdictions. No owner outside of Sheikh Mo would have any shot to stay in the business. The jockeys and the guild are weasels who really should be taken to task for this embarrassing piece of legislation. They teamed up with Whitfield(who is a grandstander at best, an idiot at worst) a political hack to try to force the hand of the industry. The true goal of the guild has little to do with forcing someone else to pay for insurance. They want more money. It's simple, it's why Dr. G had such a spell on them. He promised them they were all gonna get rich when he "exposed" the industry's terrible treatment of them. Manley is doing the same thing but he is being a little less aggressive than Dr. G and using political pressure instead of threats of lawsuits.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would hope that people are smart enough to realize that a 50% reduction in the horsemans take of simulcast revenues would simply be the end of most racing jurisdictions. No owner outside of Sheikh Mo would have any shot to stay in the business. The jockeys and the guild are weasels who really should be taken to task for this embarrassing piece of legislation. They teamed up with Whitfield(who is a grandstander at best, an idiot at worst) a political hack to try to force the hand of the industry. The true goal of the guild has little to do with forcing someone else to pay for insurance. They want more money. It's simple, it's why Dr. G had such a spell on them. He promised them they were all gonna get rich when he "exposed" the industry's terrible treatment of them. Manley is doing the same thing but he is being a little less aggressive than Dr. G and using political pressure instead of threats of lawsuits.

If you take this attempt to hijack money at face value it could add up to $400 million annually...slightly more than is necessary to pay for their insurance. Sounds to me like the guy who sues for $100 Million in hopes of getting $2 million. I hope now that they have defined themselves as the overly greedy adversaries of everybody in racing, and particularly the horsemen, that they will receive the well deserved backlash they have so far avoided.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Without jockeys i will have nothing to bet on, give them what they want if they get hurt, they are making money but in the other thread i read most of them don't make squat, and live day to day like the rest of us. I really doubt most of the guys could afford regular insurance since it would be really expensive.

[blackthroatedwind]

It is revenue from simulcasting that is guaranteed to the horsemen and is distrubuted through the purses ( so actually the jockey's already share in it ) and it amounts to $400 million annually nationwide.

Can anyone say gluttons?

And let me add....Cannon Shell is 100% correct.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by merasmag

thru the purses, not all jockeys share in it (or horsemen, i imagine)---i agree with loser here, no jockeys=no racing

I got your loser your lucky i must attend these damn anger management classes or i would bust your balls

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i have seen little, if anything, i agree with this cannon shell person on-a quick search for an example of how far differently we think was not hard to find:
Yesterday, 11:10 AM
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Bush's Paltry Excuse for Subverting Geneva Convention
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Robert S. Rivkin, author of GI Rights and Army Justice, is a San Francisco-based writer and lawyer who specialized in military law for many years.


Leftists from San Franciso's opinions dont really hold much water with the rest of us Americans.
endquote-
i am PROUD to disagree with cannon shell (his name is about as bad as loser's too, imo, of course)

Though I probably should not bother responding to someone who needs to read the Bloodhorse to formulate a stance on any industry related matter, It is raining very hard and I am bored so here goes.

Lesson #1- If you dont understand the issue, take the time to study it or keep quiet.
Lesson #2- The problem with you people on the left is that you never understand the issues and consequences, you want to take on personalities. Therefore this person said something that I dont like so I wont listen to anything that he/she says.
Lesson #3- Most Americans are not going to sympathize with leftist's from SF.
Lesson #4- (To myself) Dont respond to little kids or fools!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though I probably should not bother responding to someone who needs to read the Bloodhorse to formulate a stance on any industry related matter, It is raining very hard and I am bored so here goes.

Lesson #1- If you dont understand the issue, take the time to study it or keep quiet.
Lesson #2- The problem with you people on the left is that you never understand the issues and consequences, you want to take on personalities. Therefore this person said something that I dont like so I wont listen to anything that he/she says.
Lesson #3- Most Americans are not going to sympathize with leftist's from SF.
Lesson #4- (To myself) Dont respond to little kids or fools!

LMAO at lesson number one and four...those should be put on the top of every thread!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by merasmag

if i know i disagree with you on the most fundamental of issues, you're dam right i give little credence to anything else u say... sometimes bloodhorse bored me to tears but i miss having it around, especially for free...i'm pretty sure i know more than you and 99% of americans (not the little o, of course), but when i don't know something, i say so

Uh, what do you know more about than me and 99% of Americans?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by merasmag

Lesson #4- (To myself) Dont respond to little kids or fools!

even a broken clock is right twice a day[/quote]

Hey it's my rule and I can break it when I want!!!
I was just wondering what it was that you were so enlightened to, that the rest of America including myself weren't?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

even a broken clock is right twice a day

Hey it's my rule and I can break it when I want!!!
I was just wondering what it was that you were so enlightened to, that the rest of America including myself weren't?[/quote]

Damn, it feels good to be part of that 1% that knows more. LMFAO!

(Kidding.)

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

even a broken clock is right twice a day

Hey it's my rule and I can break it when I want!!!
I was just wondering what it was that you were so enlightened to, that the rest of America including myself weren't?[/quote]


Oh he has these supernatual handicaping powers that only degenerates have, didn't ya know by the way he talks to everyone.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by merasmag

super bowl's in miami, right cajun?

Yep, they're playing it at the Dolphins stadium next time around.

The TRA money that was given to the jocks guild in the past was simulcast money which was more than enough to cover the jocks... Dr. G felt they should get more (so he could get more of course) There was a continuing arguement that Jocks should be paid like every other pro athelete.... my brothers are pro's... in rowing (should say where.... one had a career ending injury) yet they did'nt get pay or benefits of any kind.. we all chose... yes this is different as it is a gambling entity... but until we bring back the regalness of the sport... we are all doomed! How many of you have insurance? How many of you work with horses? (not implying that if you don't then you don't understand... just that insurance is way out of reach for the average American). All tracks need slots... then I wouldn't mind simulcast moneys going to insurance for ALL in the industry.. including Trainers!!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Samm

The TRA money that was given to the jocks guild in the past was simulcast money which was more than enough to cover the jocks... Dr. G felt they should get more (so he could get more of course) There was a continuing arguement that Jocks should be paid like every other pro athelete.... my brothers are pro's... in rowing (should say where.... one had a career ending injury) yet they did'nt get pay or benefits of any kind.. we all chose... yes this is different as it is a gambling entity... but until we bring back the regalness of the sport... we are all doomed! How many of you have insurance? How many of you work with horses? (not implying that if you don't then you don't understand... just that insurance is way out of reach for the average American). All tracks need slots... then I wouldn't mind simulcast moneys going to insurance for ALL in the industry.. including Trainers!!

I work with horses and I dont have insurance other than what my boss has which covers me up to a million dollars. I recently looked into getting myself some health insurance and came to find out that with pre- exsisting injuries(from riding races) and the line of work Im in (excercise riding) it would cost me no less than 400.00 a month to get insurance and that is only basic with dental, no vision. I dont agree that anyone should pay for anyone's personel health insurance period but I do believe that while on the job workers should be taken care of with no limit.