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10-11-2010, 10:56 AM
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Ken Ramsey=Best!!
U gotta love Ken Ramsey,Pleasant Prince has ducked almost every big race/big 3 year old this year. Since the KY Derby he has won the Ohio Derby and Oklahoma Derby and 3rd in Smarty Jones.
Point begin after winning the OK Derby yesterday he told the reporters-Pleasant Prince is ready for the BC Classic and thats where he is going  Are u kidding me??? He finished 11th in the Preakness,then instead of shooting for 1 of the big races he chooses the Ohio Derby against Worldly,Slewzoom,and Max Silverhammer,afterwords goes to the Smarty Jones and gets beat by Thiskyhasnolimit and Nacho Friend(2 average horses)that LAL beat on a bad day,he is suppose to go to the Indiana Derby but chooses the OK Derby after LAL goes to the Indiana Derby,and in the OK Derby he goes against Timely Pursuit,Stachys,and Monsignor. So the new startegy for going to the BC Classic is avoid Grade 1's and just win Grade 3's HAHA. 
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10-11-2010, 11:02 AM
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You are kidding right? Look, his horse has no chance to win the Classic. However, rather than ducking horses, he nearly ran the horse into the ground trying to make the derby. If I remember correctly, he ran in the Fountain of Youth, the Florida Derby,. the Blue Grass, and then the Derby Trial and just missed on graded earnings. He then came back in the Preakness and thankfully passed the Belmont.
As badly managed as he was up to this point, Pleasant Prince has been very well handled since then. There are lots of rich Derbys out there where an average horse can earn serious money. It would be crazy not to go after the low hanging fruit. Other than the classic winners, Pleasant Prince has probably earned more than any other three year old this year while having far less talent. Seems like a good plan to me. Is the Classic too deep. Certainly. Can he win? No. But, could he clunk up for 4th or 5th and pick up another decent check? Very possible. Paul
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#3
10-11-2010, 11:09 AM
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I am just saying the level of competition,he got destroyed in the Preakness and the Classic is ALOT stronger than that.
It is a great plan to earn money-just saying why does he deserve a spot in the Classic? Like First Dude I can understand,but come on Pleasant Prince
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10-11-2010, 11:22 AM
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This is not Danthebluegrassman...he can go.
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10-11-2010, 12:34 PM
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10-11-2010, 01:16 PM
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Will there even be enough room? I heard Espoir City (JPN) is still planning to ship over here for the Classic. Never run at 1 1/4 and just lost a race at 1 mile. He's by a son of Sunday Silence named Gold Allure out of a Brian's Time mare. The connections seemed to think he was in need of the race, or that's what I gathered when they called him fat.
Does Calvin Borel even have a horse pointing for the BCC? Rachel and Super Saver are gone, Mine That Bird appears to have one more chance to get his act together or retirement's a real possibility so I'm not sure they'd throw him in there.
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#8
10-11-2010, 01:36 PM
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MTB is pointed to the BC Mile
Epsoir City is still pointed to the BC Classic,like u said they just wanted to get him a prep since he didnt run since like April or May There should be 2 spots remaining maybe 3 if Musket Man doesnt go(Was suppose to go if won but lost by a head) Well First Dude at least hits the board in Grade 1 Races,PP ran once after the Derby and it was an 11th. I could understand if it was like a Morning Line situation if PP won the Penn Derby or even the Super Derby(over a better field) but come on the Ohio and OK Derby??
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10-11-2010, 02:13 PM
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I won't be totally shocked if First Dude hit the board. I get the impression that he just doesn't know how to win and loses focus during the race. The way he goes fast, fades, and re-rallies tells me there is more inside this one if they can figure him out. As it is, he may just end up being Perfect Drift, albeit with better handlers and a cooler name.
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#10
10-11-2010, 02:49 PM
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Is there any pace scenario with the likely participants that would aid PP's style? Is the owner a Kentucky guy with a huge ego that wants a runner in the race regardless of the chances for success? How do you view success? Is a fourth or fifth place check in the classic to be viewed as "successful"? Regardless of whether or not they are delusional, the connections have been very public since the spring about how high they are on this horse.
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10-12-2010, 12:16 AM
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PP will lose that race by probably 20, no matter who rides.
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10-12-2010, 07:02 AM
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10-12-2010, 09:01 AM
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My point is I could understand if he ran against better competition and won but since the KY Derby the only race against good 3 yr olds was when he ran 11th in the Preakness. As it stands now the field looks like this Zenyatta Quality Rd Blame Rail Trip Lookin at Lucky Richard's Kid Epsoir City Fly Down Haynesfield First Dude Awesome Gem Pleasant Prince Gitano Hernando-Possible Musket Man-Possible Etched-Possible Morning Line-Possible Byword-Possible
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#16
10-12-2010, 07:45 PM
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In terms of who gets in the BC fields, is it a mix of looking at 1st preference v. 2nd preference for cross-entered horses, and then the BC selection committee (or whatever they're called) ranks them with an also eligibles list for overflow fields? Do any other fields have overflow potential, and is there anybody on the outside looking in with respect to BC eligibility this year?
Here's a list of BC Challenge winners: http://www.breederscup.com/challenge.aspx Some of them are out, and I'm sure others might not go to the BC race they got the 'win and you're in' for, but nevertheless there are guaranteed spots out there to be claimed. What's going on with Gran Estreno? They misspelled his name on the BC page. Technically he's in, but was he ever pointing to it? He won at 2000m at age 3 in a G1 in Argentina and is back to back in the Washington Park H. (G2).
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#17
10-12-2010, 08:52 PM
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The pace in the Classic figures to get quick if the expected field stays in tact. The closers in the race outside of the obvious (Z, Lookin at Lucky and Blame) are fairly even... Pleasant Prince, at 50-1, could chunk-up for 4th at 50-1.
Without doing a full handicap of the race, would you rather bet PP at 50-1 as a closer, or say a First Dude at 20-1 on the pace the whole way? I don't think First Dude can out-run horses like Quality Road, and stick around like he has against a weak crop this year... at least Pleasant Prince will do his running after most are toast.
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#18
10-12-2010, 11:06 PM
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A maximum of 14 starters are allowed in each of the 14 Breeders' Cup Championships races. Breeders' Cup Limited has adopted a field selection system to select runners in the event fields are oversubscribed. This system ranks horses in order of preference based upon (i) performance in Breeders' Cup Challenge Races, (ii) a point system, and (iii) the judgment of a panel of racing experts. The field selection system will be implemented as necessary following the taking of pre-entries on October 25, 2010, to officially rank the oversubscribed fields. The Racing Directors/Secretaries Panel (the "Panel") will rank all the horses pre-entered in the oversubscribed races as described below. After pre-entry, any vacancies in the fields will be filled by horses in order of panel preference. So it goes #1 Horses who won Win and U are in races #2 Breeders Cup Points Standings #3 Panel picks who they want. Oct 25 they will rank them and when someone withdraws the horses move up until the 14 are drawn. So Gran Estreno is officially Ranked #1 in the Classic till he withdraws Almost all the races on the 6th could have overflow. The Turf Sprint,Juvy Turf and the Dirt Mile might be the only ones that don't,even tho the Dirt Mile could get 1 or 2 who are left out of the Sprint. Classic-18 Turf-14(Could be more if Cape Blanco and Gitano dont run the Classic) Sprint-17 Juvy-90  Honestly every horse that hits the board is mentioned it seemsTurf Mile-18(Counting 2 that qualifed but prolly wont go) Dirt Mile-11(But count could rise with horses who miss Sprint or Classic) Last edited by tjfla : 10-12-2010 at 11:19 PM.
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10-13-2010, 08:18 AM
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#20
10-15-2010, 01:48 PM
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No BC Classic for Pleasant Prince..
Seems Ken Ramsey didn't know Pleasant Prince wasn't Breeders' Cup nominated... $450,000 to get into the Classic as a supplement.
"It just doesn't make economic sense," Ramsey said.
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