Let's compare workouts...

[Buffymommy]

Curlin
Date: June 4, 2007
Track: CHURCHILL DOWNS
Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 50:60 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 13/23

Circular Quay
Date: June 3, 2007
Track: BELMONT PARK
Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 49:10 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 17/56

Any Given Saturday
Date: June 3, 2007
Track: BELMONT PARK
Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 50:41 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 39/56

Hard Spun
Date: June 3, 2007
Track: BELMONT PARK
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.03:12 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 12/19

Slew's Tizzy
Date: June 2, 2007
Track: THE THOROUGHBRED CENTER
Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 48:20 Breezing
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 1/31

(These are the ones I have on my computer at work so I can't list all the Belmont possible starters and I know AGS isn't techincally in the "possible list but ya never know)

Who looks like they are ready?

[XIIPointStables]

Didn't Pletcher say something along the line of "this is the deepest I've seen the track..."

So I'm not sure what to make of final times of the Belmont workouts.

Send em' all. At least send AGS so I can assure myself a losing day by betting him.

[paisjpq]

there isn't much point IMO to compare workouts....they at different distances over different surfaces measured against different horses...and that's before you factor in trainer styles....do they prefer to work a horse fast/slow etc.

[Buffymommy]

I was just thinking along the lines of "are they ready".

One thing I like now that you said the Belmont track is deep is that Tizzy trainer said the track he is running on is very deep and good for training. I really like this horse. He has does nice workouts about a week before he is going to race in his last two starts. This workout makes me know he is ready to put in a good effort.

Curlin looks ready to roll as does Hard Spun. Even CQ looks like he is ready for a run. Oh, I don't know. If Curlin IS the monster some are claiming he is, they are all running for second place.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Didn't Pletcher say something along the line of "this is the deepest I've seen the track..."
So I'm not sure what to make of final times of the Belmont workouts.

Send em' all. At least send AGS so I can assure myself a losing day by betting him.

What's interesting is the afternoon times are pretty normal this week, even though the workout times have been slow.

[Downthestretch55]

Buffy,
I agree with Pais on this.
Believe me, when I was first learning about this, I always considered workouts as well as beyers. Boy, did I learn!
Now if someone has a strategy for picking a winner in a MSW, or better yet, one that drops from that condition into a maiden claimer, that would be interesting to know.
DTS

I'd also like to know others thoughts regarding "temperment" being inherited.
I know Bold Rulers are notorious. The reason I ask is that I'm breaking Shot o Bourbon (2yo filly) this week. Her granddad is Deputy Minister, as is her half sister, Ciel Bonne who is a grandaughter of Dehere (sired by Deputy Minister).
Both are very "even", and comfortable with people. The ones that I have that trace to Alydar and Sectretariat...yikes!

[Antitrust32]

Lets play 20 questions.

Speaking of workouts, Isnt this Curlin's third workout since the preakness? I am probably not correct, but isnt that unusual for a horse to do who has competed in the derby and preakness (in recent times). I mean he didnt win the Derby but still ran hard and finished 3rd, and had a huge race in the preakness in a record-tying time. Didnt Smarty Jones have just one workout in between the preakness and belmont? And funny cide had only one (huge blowout). How bout Afleet alex? Did he have zero works and just that strong 3 mile gallop before the Belmont.

So, Curlin has had three workouts. What Does that say about him? I think it means he's ready to rock and roll.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Lets play 20 questions.

Speaking of workouts, Isnt this Curlin's third workout since the preakness? I am probably not correct, but isnt that unusual for a horse to do who has competed in the derby and preakness (in recent times). I mean he didnt win the Derby but still ran hard and finished 3rd, and had a huge race in the preakness in a record-tying time. Didnt Smarty Jones have just one workout in between the preakness and belmont? And funny cide had only one (huge blowout). How bout Afleet alex? Did he have zero works and just that strong 3 mile gallop before the Belmont.

So, Curlin has had three workouts. What Does that say about him? I think it means he's ready to rock and roll.

Antitrust,
I'm not an expert on this at all.
I'll just say that different trainers have different methods.
The main goal is to get the horse ready for the conditions, factor in distance and running style, and keep the horse fit (not hurt or too stressed).
H Allen Jerkens and Jim J usually put wind sprints in their mix close to race day. Others opt to go for longer and easier.
Again, I'm no expert. I'm trying to see what the successful ones do.
On a side note, I agree with you about Curlin. I'll watch what happens with Hard Spun. HS will need something to boost endurance, as a mile and a half is lots longer than his last when he struggled.
I don't know anything about how Digger is training up to this.
We'll see.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Antitrust,
I'm not an expert on this at all.
I'll just say that different trainers have different methods.
The main goal is to get the horse ready for the conditions, factor in distance and running style, and keep the horse fit (not hurt or too stressed).
H Allen Jerkens and Jim J usually put wind sprints in their mix close to race day. Others opt to go for longer and easier.
Again, I'm no expert. I'm trying to see what the successful ones do.
On a side note, I agree with you about Curlin. I'll watch what happens with Hard Spun. HS will need something to boost endurance, as a mile and a half is lots longer than his last when he struggled.
I don't know anything about how Digger is training up to this.
We'll see.

Just checking to see if my post registers this time.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Just checking to see if my post registers this time.

OK! It did. Nevermind.
geesh, now I sound like "who"?

[Bobby Fischer]

Good topic

Hard Spun - 5/8 in 63.12 Was this with Gomez aboard??