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Originally Posted by Danzig
yeah, people always want god on their side.
it used to be that free will was considered blasphemy. that everything had been pre-ordained. well, if that was the case, then why did the criminal have to serve time, since god pre-ordained he commit the crime? how could the thief be held to blame? god had decided..
it was questions like those that helped lead to free will gradually becoming the accepted teaching. but then, i've been told by exercising my free will 'in the wrong way' i was going to hell. i told the woman who said that to me, that god was definitely a sneaky fellow. if it's free will, but there are rules about how you use it, it's not so free, is it?
at any rate, the contortions by pro-lifers to somehow still tie things into god's big plan can become rather comical at times. but then, not quite so comical when you know they are completely serious about changing everyone's rules to how they feel things should be.
and i'm sure they can show you passages in the bible to support the view that women should do as they're told. cause that's how god wants it. why else would the bible say it? (probably because men in positions of power decided what was included in the 'holy book'????).
on another note...i really wish that people would stop quoting others. perhaps you could say 'to so and so'. that way i don't have to read such drivel as 'not a date rape' from a poster i have on ignore. wtf is that supposed to mean? rape is rape is rape. i don't care if you effing know the guys name-if you say 'no', and he forces you-hello, that's a crime. it's an assault.
after all, if sandusky molested his nephew instead of a camp kid, does that lessen the crime?
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If there is a God and he is an omnipotent God, then he is capable of controlling everything. He can do whatever he wants. That doesn't mean that he does in fact control everything. It just means that he is capable of controlling everything. If he doesn't want something to happen, he can stop it from happening. But that doesn't mean that he constantly intervenes in every situation. At times he may intervene and at other times he may not.
If I am an evil person and I kill someone, I would argue that God could have stopped me if he wanted to. If he is omnipotent, he could do anything. That is the definition of omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent, then what is so great about God? But assuming that he is omnipotent and he didn't stop me from killing someone, that still would not affect my culpability for the crime. There is a big difference in saying "he didn't stop me" vs saying "he forced me to do it". Just because God allows something to happen, that doesn't mean he forced it to happen. There is a big difference.
With regard to my quote about date rape vs being raped by a stranger, you misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that most people would be sickened by the thought of carrying the baby of some homeless guy (or some psycho off the street that raped them). I think most people would find it repulsive. They may or may not have the same level of disgust if they were raped by a friend or by someone that they were romantically interested in.
If a girl was pretty religious and she was against abortion, she might be able to make a case to herself to carry the baby to term if she was raped by a friend or by a one-time romantic interest. I would have to think it would be impossible to make a case for carrying the baby of some psychopath off the street.
By the way, I think it is hilarious that you have me on "ignore". I had no idea you had me on "ignore". I get along with every person on this board, regardless of their politics.