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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Ornish's study has been thoroughly debunked.
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There have obviously been a lot of studies that contradict each other. I don't doubt that you have seen evidence that you think debunks Ornish's work. But I think there have been a ton of studies that confirm his work. I have never heard that his worked was debunked. I don't think mainstream medicine considers his work debunked (not that mainstream medicine is always right). Ornish is world renowned.
Let's take a guy like Bob Baffert. He eats practically nothing but red meat. He had a heart attack. After he had the stents put in, the first thing the doctor told him was to cut way down on his red meat intake. He told him not to eat red meat more than twice a month.
As you said, there are other factors. It depends whether the red meat is grass-fed or not. But overall I think that most doctors would agree that for someone in Baffert's situation, they should undoubtedly cut down on meat and fried foods and eat more fruits and vegetables.
I don't think you can go wrong eating a lot of fruits and vegetables along with a little bit of fish (and occasionally some chicken or fish).
Look at Bill Clinton. He had a terrible diet and he had to keep having heart procedures. He finally became a 95% vegan (he eats fish twice a week). He is doing great now. Do you think he is making a mistake being on this new diet? I don't. I think this new diet will save his life.
By the way, Ornish is one of Clinton's doctors.
[Clinton says he was inspired to follow a low-fat, plant-based diet by several doctors, including Dean Ornish, author of Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease. Ornish has been working with Clinton as one of his consulting physicians since 1993."
After Clinton's angioplasty and stents in 2010, Ornish says he contacted the former president "and I indicated that the moderate diet and lifestyle changes he'd made didn't go far enough to prevent his heart disease from progressing, but our research proved that more intensive changes could actually reverse it," he says.]
http://yourlife.usatoday.com/fitness...ory/50111212/1