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Old 03-03-2011, 10:02 PM
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He campaigned for budget cuts and to fix the budget.
That's right. Walker never campaigned on busting unions.


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Polls can say anything that you want them to say. ... They hold no value in my opinion
No. Some polls are very well done, and highly accurate. Others are not. One can't simply dismiss three polls, well done, that don't show what you'd like them to.

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Did you listen to the entire call. If you did I feel bad for you because you simply can't hear.
It appears to be you that can't hear. Yes, I did, and yes, Walker is a liar. He clearly lied to the Democratic Senators. He is clearly saying he wanted the Dems to come back and he'd tell them he'd negotiate with them, but as soon as they came back they could gavel the session and even if they left, the session would still count and they could vote. He wanted to trick them.

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Want to put some $ on it? I said I will give you 4-1 odds.
There's no point in that. Formal recall procedures (collection of signatures) have already begun against Walker and the Republican Senators eligible for recall (it varies, depending upon when they were elected, Walker's signature collection has to wait but people are committing to it, the websites are up and running collecting names and addresses of Wisconsinites, on Facebook, etc). There are a couple websites trying to start that up against the Dems, too.

We'll see what happpens, and who gets there first.

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Your view is to leave things status quo and have the power continue to be with the unions and the democrats that are funded by the unions who keep driving the state farther in debt without any revenues.
No. I said I believed giving tax incentives, but not when you don't have the money to do so. How you got to the above out of there is crazy.

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Businesses create tax revenues.
Yes, they do! Except in Wisconsin, where 2/3 of your businesses pay no corporate profit tax revenue.


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State employees and teachers create no revenue. They are expenses.
When times are tough you cut your expenses and do what you can to increase your revenue.
But your Governor absolutely refuses to raise revenue = raise taxes. In fact, he just lowered your revenue by giving unfunded tax cuts. What in hell is he thinking!?

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It is time government agencies start acting like a business.
Looks like Walker needs to go to business school, and take Economics 101.

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No because in the long run if you create a good business climate, unemployment improves, state income and property tax revenue increases and everything works
That's right. But it has been proven over and over, in the past 60 years of our economy, that giving massive tax cuts to business does not work to do that. That's called "trickle down economics".

For example, the federal government. The Republican budget proposal, which does exactly that, if enacted, has been calculated to loose 700,000 jobs and decrease our gross domestic product by 2%, threatening the return of the recession.

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Unlike most politicians Walker is taking the problem that will occur in the future and addressing it now.
Naw. He's just union busting. Bust the unions, bust the three major Democratic campaign contributors (the other 7 top ten national campaign contributors are Republican)

The Koch Brothers are billionaire businessmen who fund the Republican Governors Association (RGA), Americans for Prosperity, and one of the Tea Party organizations (they paid to bus counterprotesters to Wisconsin that second weekend)

It came out of this years RGA that a goal was to union bust. Why do you think all these Republican governors are doing it at the same time? The people that pay for their elections have told them to.

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Well if we didn't protect bad teachers by being fired this may not be the case.
Wisconsin teachers are 28th in pay nationally, but 1st in getting high school kids to graduate college. You have a good bunch. You don't need to union bust to be able to fire bad teachers. You need to change the rules.
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