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Originally Posted by Linny
So if a stallion doesn't do ALL those things, he's failed? As PA mentioned, you seem to be expecting the other 99.5% of the breed to either live up to the elite stallions level or be subject to ridicule.
By your standard for success, only about .5% of the stallions out there should be allowed to breed. After all, why breed to a "failure?"
Many stallions who have lead sire lists have not established a male line, nor become star broodmare sires. Many great broodmare sires have not established a male line, Princequillo comes to mind. A precious few stallions ever establish their own "line."
Having spoken with some pretty high end breeders about stallions I can say BB that you have some extremely high standards. Higher than many who have actually been breeding champions for decades.
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I've never said that a stallion must do ALL of those things.
For example ... Secretariat was NOT a failure as a stallion. As a sire of runners ... his Lifetime AEI was just a shade below 3.00 (successful) and his %SW was about 7% (reasonably successful). As a broodmare sire ... he had much greater success ... as his daughters produced many top runners and ... even more important ... several very successful stallions. As a sire of sires ... he was a complete disaster ... all of his sons were monumentally unsuccessful as stallions.
So ... on balance ... Secretariat was successful ... (very good sire of runners ... very, very good broodmare sire ... disastrous sire of sires) ... even though he didn't do well in every category.
I hope that addresses your concerns.