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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Assuming they finish as expected.
Ichiro yes
Vlad Guerrero yes
Jim Thome yes
John Smoltz yes
Johnny Damon not even close
Trevor Hoffman yes
Todd Helton yes
Chipper Jones yes
Bobby Abreu no
Gary Sheffield no
Miguel Tejada no
Andy Pettite no
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First the yes's:
Ichiro: somewhat marginal because his BA is 28th in baseball history, but his lack of power and OBP (consequently OPS) is so low but I think his impact as the greatest Asian player pushes him in. Also a stunning defender with 8 straight Gold Gloves.
Guerrero: anybody saying no, have you actually seen this guy play? he can hit any pitch anywhere. he's 22nd in the history of baseball in OPS and every player in front of him is in the Hall (or will be). A 188 James Hall of Fame Monitor score (140 is considered a "cinch").
Thome: tough call because of the steroid rumors but 564 home runs and 20th overall in OPS is tough to ignore.
Smoltz: he's been a top 5-10 pitcher for 20 years in both starting and relief roles. enough said
Hoffman: he's the career leader in saves by a longshot. how could that not be enough when saves are so important in this era?
Helton: He ranks 10th in all-time OPS. the players in front of him? Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Pujols, Bonds, Foxx, Greenberg, Hornsby, Ramirez. Enough said. Say what you want about Colorado but his road stats are pretty amazing too. 162 JHoFM score
Jones: 25th all time in OPS- see above cases, a 162 James Hall of Fame Monitor score. A cinch (even though I hate him)
no's:
Damon: Not even close on any measure.
Abreu: Never had more than 31 homers in a season and his best accomplishment is leading the league in doubles 2002. not even close
Sheffield: Close on some measures, like the 500 home run mark, but was never a good postseason player, and the steriod issue looms large.
Tejada: same as above
Pettite: tough to exclude but I feel like he's missing a few wins given the black cloud. If he gets to 250 I'd reconsider.