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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I said they're were 19 bet againsts in the Derby ... of which none would get within six lengths of a pair of subsequent scratchers.
Musket Man and POTN were the most honest grinding horses in the race .. but both are slowpokes .. they became my 3rd and 4th choices after scratches because they seemed logical to plug up for a piece and fire. While others might be hit or miss.
It was a bad Derby without IRW, QR, The Pamp, and OF.
The winner remains impossible.
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Mine ended up being Papa Clem and Musket Man after the scratches, under similar consequence.
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Let me jump in here because this BS has gone on long enough.
The position by both Serling and Beyer was that POTN was a BET AGAINST in the DERBY. They both explicitly stated that the way to make money, this year's strategy, was to NOT USE this horse. Whatever that might mean, it certainly WASN'T validated when the horse HIT THE BOARD.
Any ****in way you spin this, and the primary one is that the horse is SLOW, still doesn't account for the fact that the horse RAN 2nd. Doesn't matter who was in the race because these claims were made when IWR was still in the race---which means that POTN, AT WORST, runs 3rd.
For those whose handicapping is not driven by BEYERS and who basically have a clue when it comes to evaluating horses, they missed the mark. The horse is nothing special but he's not the rat they make him out to be.
And, P.S. those who don't bet POLY on a regular basis really shouldn't be commenting about it under the guise of experts.
Gimme a ****in break already.
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Had nothing to do with Beyers for me to stand against him, it had everything to do with the poor performance of other synthetic horses in the Derby. For example, Colonel John was 10X more talented than POTN and he was an ineffective 6th against a worse field. I said I'll continue to toss them all until one of them beats me. Well, he did... sort of. As for this year, I still wouldn't have had the winner, so no additional blood, but it means back to the drawing board for next year.
As for POTN in a vacuum, if Mott started him on turf because he thought he belonged there, that was enough for me before he actually ran on dirt. He knows the horse a lot better than I do. His Derby performance was OK, better than I had expected, especially given the outside part of the racetrack. However, keep in mind the completely useless Join in the Dance which he sat just off of was only 6 lengths behind him... that to me says a lot.