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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
I have thought about proper response to the accusation of "villifying" Bush.
1) He is NOT a good guy that has made bad decisions. His intent has been clear, whether it was selling the Iraq War II as WMD's (no existent), regime change (that worked out fine), establishing a "stable democracy" in the Mid East (even top Pentagon Generals now concede that Iraq is in a state of civil war). Afghanistan currently has resurgent Taliban presence and a bumper opium crop. Bush's decisions have had a detrimental effect on the United States and the stability of the nations that share the planet.
2) I had no part in the decision making, other than voting in the last election.
3) I have tried to present the "best possible options" regarding current circumstances. Peter Galbraith (former ambassador to Bosnia), recently published a book entitled "The End of the Iraq War". I suggest it. He also sees not what coulda, shoulda, or woulda been...but what IS.
4) It seems to me that there WERE some that remained silent while living in 1936 Germany, whether they were intimidated by fear of reprisal from the government, or fear of insults and ridicule from their fellow Germans as they might have appeared to be "unpatriotic". We know what their silence enabled.
The same strategy was used against those that opposed the Viet Nam War by the Nixon/Agnew administration. Their tactic didn't work then, and it certainly won't work now.
5) I have not heard a meaningful solution to disengage US involvement in Iraq from those that believed it was worthwhile. If it is believed that this WAS worthwhile, please explain. If not, please present a strategy for disengagement. Maintaining the status quo is no longer an option.
"Those that refuse to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them."
DTS
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Why would you possibly talk about the Nixon administration when talking about Vietnam? Why wouldn't you talk about the Kennedy or Johnson administrations. Nixon wasn't the one who put us in Vietnam. This proves my point about what I said before. You're just looking for an excuse to bash the republicans. You associate the republicans more with Vietnam than the Democrats. It's good that Nixon was President during part of Vietnam so that you can blame him for it.
I'll bet that if Clinton was President right now, you wouldn't be saying a word. Do you think that any of these poeple like Martin Sheen or Barbara Steisand would be complaining right now if Clinton was in office right now. If you do think so, then you are very naive. None of thse people were complaing when Clinton was bombing the hell out of Bosnia.
By the way, way befor 9/11 even happened, Kerry was on the show Face the Nation saying that we should consider going into Iraq on our own. So if you voted for Kerry, how can you complain about Iraq? He wanted to go in there even before Bush.