Debuting sire stats are VERY skewed by trainers. A trainer like Shug that doesn't crank on one early isn't gonna winning 1st out, no matter what the pedigree.
On the other hand, Wes Ward could take a Dixieland Band or any of those other bad win early sires and win out of the box.
It's funny how reputations and actually data can vary.
Yes it's True has been known for years has a great debuting sire.
Hook and Ladder was the hot new 1st out Sire last year.
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