Obviously i can tell your bias by your screen name....say what you will, but I'm telling you that his paternal line is very cold in the eyes of bloodstock agents, much like Kris S. is, etc.....it is an undeniable fact.....of course there are exceptions in any thing, especially with all of the sires he has floating around out there. But I'm just saying that with all of the stallions he has and all of the nice mares he's bred over the past 20+ years before passing that he is known for being a racehorse sire and a pretty solid influence on the dam side....with all of the great runners hes had i would consider their success (or lack there of) as a relative failure - again, much like Kris S. sireline, etc....