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Originally Posted by mp3
guys, lets get real. To say that SU will love the turf because he worked faster than EC is a horrible analogy. Put a horse on the turf in race conditions and then tell me. Turf racing over a distance requires a horse to rate just off the bridle, handle uneven footing and bobbling, run through holes and sprint home. SU has to win on the turf before we make him a super turf horse. KD has won on the turf and was stylish doing so. Doesn't mean he is better than SU but to say that SU is a better turf horse right now is incorrect.
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I was in the Barbaro camp and actually though SNS would win the derby but I can assure you from people inside the game I have heard Showing Up loves the turf. He is bred to run on it much more so than the dirt. You have to remember that Showing Up has a huge class edge on that horse. I don't think SU is as good as English Channel, not even close but the people at the track just said he looked better than anyone else going over the surface yesterday. This Kip Deville is nothing special. He won a race on a soft turf and he has been destroyed by good horses when he ran against them. I don't see how you can put the two in the same category. Kip Deville was destroyed on a firm course in a 40K stakes race at Remington Park. His other effort on a firm course was in a 15K allowance race. Did Oracle buy this horse for Dutrow or something? I can't believe we are comparing the two. Most people on this site have never even heard of Kip Deville.