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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
I don't think Penn State and Ohio State are rivals.
I grew up in Ohio and went to Penn State. Penn State's rivals for about 40 years were Pitt and West Virginia...well, Pitt. West Virginia considered Penn State a rival but they never won. Ohio State's rival is Michigan...period. Considering we've been in the Big 10 for what...15 years now and have won a grand total of 2 Big 10 titles in football I think?? '94 and '05 are the only two I remember...as much as it pains me to say...2 titles in 15 years really makes us a rival with no one. In essence since joning the Big 10 in football, PSU has one less title or co-title than Northwestern. We've been a top 10 team only 4 times since joining the big 10 in those 15 years...3 of them were more than 10 years ago. PSU has been an unranked team as many times as a top 10 team since joining the big 10...4. OSU's won 4 Big 10 titles since Tressel got there in 2001 with 5 top 10 rankings in those 7 years.
PSU is a superb and famous football program...but it's been quite lean pickings in the big 10 outside those 1994 and 2005 seasons. Hopefully we can beat OSU this year, but I'm not counting on it. To further illustrate...in their first 5 years in the big 10, PSU never finished worse than 3rd. In the last 10 years the only time they've finished better than 4th in conference was in 2005. I love Paterno...but it's a pretty troubled program right now. Maybe this will be one of their few really good years...pretty early to say though.
IN essence, my point is that PSU is nowhere good enough to be considered a rival with Ohio State.
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oh, i know the pitt/penn st game is HUGE. but i would say penn st and osu are rivals, even tho for the last several years psu hasn't had nearly a good enough program to compete.
but the redkins are in the same boat, but they are still most definitely rivals with the cowboys.
but i was saying i figured it had to be my psu roots that explained why i hate osu-if they're really not rivals, it's no biggie. but i still hate them!!