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Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman
W L PCT GB POS WC
2007 Cleveland Indians AL C 96 66 .593 -- 1
2006 Cleveland Indians AL C 78 84 .481 18.0 4
2005 Cleveland Indians AL C 93 69 .574 6.0 2
2004 Cleveland Indians AL C 80 82 .494 12.0 3
2003 Cleveland Indians AL C 68 94 .420 22.0 4
2002 Cleveland Indians AL C 74 88 .457 20.5 3
2001 Cleveland Indians AL C 91 71 .562
So Mr. MainCourse would like you to think ,other than 2001 and 2007, CC played on some really bad tams.
You be the judge how bad those teams were in those years.I might add CC continued to disappoint every year in that time frame offered by MainCourse...some of those years he wasn't even the best pitcher on the team.
Nice guy...so was Thome until it came time to use his popularity against the team so as to build out the highest possible contract squeeze he could....where ever that came from.
But at least Thome did not fragment in that last year.
He's a good to very good starting pitcher. His head keeps him from becoming an elite guy.
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Fine. I prefaced after his rookie year he played on some really bad teams and never complained. Was that not true? 4 losing teams in 5 years is not playing on some really bad teams?? I stand corrected on that I guess.
17-5 4.39 ERA 1.35 WHIP 2001 91-71 good team
13-11 4.37 ERA 1.36 WHIP 2002 74-88 really bad team
13-9 3.60 ERA 1.29 WHIP 2003 68-94 really bad team
11-10 4.12 ERA 1.31 WHIP 2004 80-82 bad team
15-10 4.03 ERA 1.25 WHIP 2005 93-69 good team
12-11 3.22 ERA 1.17 WHIP 2006 78-84 bad team
19-7 3.21 ERA 1.14 WHIP 2007 96-66 really good team
I don't see bad performance anywhere...I see really good performance after the 2004 season. I see he played on 2 bad teams, 2 really bad teams, and 2 good teams after his rookie season. I don't see where I was even wrong in what I said. But I am stupid so give me some slack.