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Originally Posted by Pointg5
He ran 4th in the SA Derby, not bad, considering General Challenge was a monster in California.
Not better, but not worse either, they are both the same in the criteria that would be used for HOY...
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Okay this is where you are wrong. They are not "the same in criteria that would be used for HOY." You act like the # of graded stakes wins is the ONLY criteria they use. It isn't. They also consider other things and in ALL of those other things Smarty Jones beats Charismatic. I am not saying that Charismatic didn't deserve HOY in '99, or that he wasn't a good horse or anything like that. At the end of the year they don't simply tally up the graded stakes wins and give HOY to whoever has the most, or declare a 4 way tie if 4 horses have the same number of graded stakes wins. THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OTHER THINGS!!!!
Finishing second in the Belmont is better then finishing third.
Winning 6 stakes races is better than winning 3.
etc.
If you objectively look at the two horses' entire years, it is kind of silly to say "There is absolutely no difference whatsoever. They both had the exact same year." The only way you can say that is if you look EXCLUSIVELY at their number of graded stakes wins....which doesn't make sense.