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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
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2 outs,runners in scoring position ab hits extra base hits rbi
Garvey 1080 315 99 409
CAREW 913 283 58 325
and no,I am not gunna give you more at bats in that situation.You F'N had 9315 ab total versus Garvey's 8835.Carew played in 2469 games versus Garvey's 2332.This is the situation clutch players with power are going to be put in more often than weak hitting punchin' judy types like Carew.If they had equal at bats with 2 outs n' runners in scoring position,we both know what would've happened.Carew would end up with a few more hits,but be far behind in extra base hits,and still far short of Garvey's 409 RBI in this situation.Any way you cut it,Garvey was more productive in getting extra base hits,and rbis.In this situation,Garvey hit .292(a couple points lower than usual,)but his on base and slugging percentages went up in this situation.You have misrepresented the facts as far as when he hit his lowest batting percentage.He hit .288 in tied games.Tied games could be zero-zero in the 2nd inning.He hit .296 in late n' close situations.You said Carew had much higher batting averages in clutch situations.Carew hit .310 with in 2 out runners in scoring position situations.Garvey hit .292(but slaughtered him in RBI and extra base hit counts in this situation)In close n' late game situations Carew hit ,305 VERSUS Garvey's .296 That's not a huge difference in batting average(that's a lie.) This is what I hate about stats.This lil stick figure moody bitch is crowned as a Prince,but given the clutch situations,gets a tiny few more hits per ab,and lags way behind Garvey in RBI,SLUGGING %,AND EXTRA BASE HITS.THE lATE N' CLOSE SITUATIONAL HITTING MIRRORS THE earlier clutch category of 2 outs runners in scoring position.So,in the 2 clutch situations,Carew is slightly ahead of Garvey in hits and batting average,but Garvey would be way ahead in extra base hits,RBI,AND SLUGGING %.How about Garvey's 78 Home Runs during these 2 clutch situations? The PUNCHIN JUDY had 19 home runs while hitting in these situations.You really want to give up all those home runs by taking Carew in clutch situations over Garvey? For a tiny amount more hits and batting average?Now,lets get to the real Clutch Situations.........POST SEASON HITTING.YOU SHOULDN'T OF OPENED THIS CLUTCH THING UP. I said that Garvey was clutch player.You said he didn't hit better in clutch situations than in other situations.Does it mean he hit poorly in clutch situations,No,that's crap.He hit well during the season(regardless of the situation.)What we sure as hell know is that he was a clutch hitter in the post season(gee is that a clutch situation MR.CHUCK NO IT ALL.)SINCE YOU F'N ARE IN LOVE WITH BATTING AVERAGE(a stat that favors a punchin Judy,) Garvey hit .356 in 5 LG CHAMP. SERIES,AND .319 IN 5 WORLD SERIES.THAT'S A CLUTCH PLAYER. That's a career .294 hitter hitting 25 and 60 points better in the post.He hit .338 in the post.That's over 55 games.He was a clutch player.Matter of fact ,you should be ashamed to admit ya didn't know it.A lot of people are ignorant about it.Against higher level post season pitching he excelled.He stepped it up.On the other hand,Carew hit .220 in the post season,and struck out 9 out of 50 at bats.Big difference,Chuck.Garvey won 2 nlcs MVP awards.Those are awards for clutch situations,CHUCK.AGAINST THE BEST PITCHERS IN THE WORLD(ALLSTAR PITCHING) Garvey hit .393(SINCE THAT'S A STAT FAVORITE OF YOURS.)Your boy hit .244 AGAINST ALLSTAR PITCHING.Seems to me,we have a player here who does look like a Hall of Famer against the best pitching,and we sure got another guy tanking in that clutch situation.So,we have 2 more clutch awards to give out.The 74 and 78 Allstar MVP Awards go to the CLUTCH HITTER STEVE GARVEY.IN '78,GARVEY was 2nd in NL MVP VOTING.IN 74 HE WAS THE LEAGUE MVP.IN 78, HE WAS THE 2ND BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. YOUR WRONG...FACTS SHOW HE WAS CLUTCH.