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Originally Posted by Mortimer
It sounds like you describe true nothing...if not for humans.
I wondered a lot what happens when one dies. How can you then be nothing...if say there is no God.It's hard to comprehend being nothing......taken out of the equation completely,but if you were nothing then you woudn't know it. .....which always brought me back to the same place.
I can undertsand what you say and it does make some sense...but even without intelligence doesn't just the existence of stars and planets mean space exists....and they must go through change...over time? Even if we didn't name space and time.....woudn't they still be there...just unnamed?
There's just something too well planned about the whole thing....there's too much rythm and rhyme out there to think there isn't a reason behnd all this.It's hard to believe we just are....just happened.
So we named time time and space space..because they are things........or maybe they're the same thing.
I don't really buy the big bang thoery....because what was there before the big bang?
I guess it goes back to your idea that space nor time nor beginning has any meaning if nothing intelligent exists....or maybe you meant if absolutely nothing exists...and if that were true then there is no argument..of course.
But since that's not the case....it's back to square one. How can one ever comprehend a start...a bing bang? How can anyone conceive of a paraellel universe or the existence of the past ,present and future happening all at the same time?
I only come back to a plan...a plan of sorts in that things work in an orderly and predictable manner...those we understand.
Maybe when we do die...maybe that's when it all come together.
But I just don't think we're mistakes..I don't think anything is...it's all explainable and predictable,but well outside our comprehenison.
Maybe there will be a lightning rod effect and physics will take that gigantic leap and somethings will become clearer...but I don't think so......it's the constant turning over of thought that really is intriguing and very intersting.
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All I am saying is the ideas of time and space are indeed just ideas.
If we did not exist there would be no ideas. Its our little struggle.
And ideas are different than actual objects. If actual objects exist,
then by OUR definition, space exists. Otherwise the idea and the word
space, does not exist even though objects do.
And as far as God and human existence that relies on a completely
different type of human thought pattern. Faith. I can see why people
do believe in a God or Gods. And I can see why people dont. And of
course it makes perfect sense that many people profess not to know.
Its just the way we go about knowing. I really dont mean this to be
mumbo jumbo. I just see human beings as unique, strange little beings that
contemplate their own existence yet do not have the ability to
really
understand a whole lot of different aspects of what existence means.
And that covers life, death, and God.
Sometimes the saying Man created God in his own image makes
sense to me. But not so much if one expresses some degree of
humility and recognition that we cant know everything and never
will. It really does not bother me that much because I realize
I just dont have the ability to know, or understand, all of this.
It is beyond all my models that help me navigate the world in
front of me. Its not my fault, as far as I know, even though others
would claim I should understand.