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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
C'mon, GR. I know you are not that stupid. But I understand the need for you to brush the point under the table. People who donate a kidney do so WILLINGLY. It is VOLITIONAL. The same cannot be said for the embryos. Keep things in context - please don't waste my time have to respond to this type of utter nonsense.
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B, here's what you said:
it is absolutely unprecedented in the history of modern medicine and science to accept the intentional harming of one to provide treatment for another. UNPRECEDENTED (outside of Mengele and the like - a Nazi doctor whose research included harming and murdering jews to further medicine, etc.).
I knew your argument would be that donating a kidney is voluntary (just as I will argue, since I don't believe a clump of cells is the same as a two-year-old, that the hopeful parents who supplied the egg and sperm for embryos have a right to decide what is done with them), but your statement didn't say that. In many circumstances, doctors do harm one in order to help another.
I also think you need to get your Margaret Sanger info off of something besides your right-wing websites. Nowhere in her writings does she favor one race over another, and denounced the Nazi programs you love to bring up at the drop of a hat as "sad and horrible." She was also opposed to euthanasia: 'Nor do we believe,' wrote Sanger in Pivot of Civilization, 'that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding.'
And:"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics.... We are convinced that racial regeneration, like individual regeneration, must come 'from within.' That is, it must be autonomous, self-directive, and not imposed from without."[13]
We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother... Only upon a free, self-determining motherhood can rest any unshakable structure of racial betterment."
She wasn't perfect- she believed the severely retarded should not be permitted to reproduce, I don't know how supportive she was of interracial marriage (by "racial betterment" I am inclined to think she felt each race should improve itself within its own race), and the whole idea of eugenics today is a little freaky to read about. But Sanger believed in it through personal choice to practice birth control, not through state-coerced destruction of handicapped children.
I doubt, had she been the racist you believe her to be, Martin Luther King, Jr. would have had the respect for her he did.
And here's another quote from her:
"To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."
Maybe you should actually bother to read up on the historical figures you're so eager to misquote and slander. Or maybe get your info on them from more than your conservative websites.