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Originally Posted by pgardn
Seattle, Seattle. Congrats on your family doing so well. Your parents picked the right country to come to.
If you read my statement carefully, I think you will understand that numbers can be very telling. Carefully. Probability is a key word. I also think if you read the discourse between Irishtrekker and myself you will understand our probing and lack of clear answers for obvious trends.
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Funny that the immigrants who came here in the late 19th and early 20th centuries ended up doing so well(their kids did even better). Reason? Simple, they were proud to be Americans. They wanted to adopt our ways and fit in. They took great pains to learn English and try to be Americans. They did keep their own traditions and cultural values but they didn't try to ram them down the throats of the very people's land they came to be part of.
They embraced this land and worked hard to achieve. WORKED is the key word in that sentence.
I'm and American, and a proud one. It doesn't make me racist or hateful to say that noone in America should have to speak someone else's language. If a bunch of Americans decided to emigrate to a land where they didnt speak English I don't think that trying to force that land to learn our language would be reasonable either.
If they don't like our language or our ways then they really should go right the hell back to wherever they came from.
The fact is that groups who dont want to assimilate into the mainstream will always be penalized. Thats just how it is. I'm no racist, and will call an ******* an ******* whether he is white, purple, yellow, or blue.
But do you really think that some of the groups you cry for don't peanlize themselves? How do you get a good job in the mianstream speaking gangbanger slang lingo and wearing gangbanger apparel.
Newsflash Patrick, if I showed up for an interview wearing clothes out of place to what is acceptable to the mainstream and spoke poorly, I'm not gonna get hired either. So spare me thats its based on color. Its based on anyone's willingness to act and dress and perform to teh acceptable standards in this country. And if you don't wanna learn the language thats your problem pal, not ours. This is America and if you came here voluntarily you had to know that English was spoken here. Its irrational to expect a guy to hire a guy or gal who cant speak English when the WIDE majority of the people that they deal with do. Same goes for mannerisms and dress. Employers want neat people who make a good appearance that their clients will want to deal with.