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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Not a huge fan of bris pace numbers but they tell the general story here.
Holy Bull was only 8f so it was deceptive. Also his pace was a tiny bit harder in the FOY and he came Home better than just 1 point in the Wood , but basically yes. He went from a router to a miler somewhere between the Remsen and now. His pedigree says the Belmont would be no problem, so its physical or a style issue or the horse is just untrainable...
E1 E2 .Late Pace
98 113 86 WOOD
96 110 85 FOY
85 99 104 HOLY BULL
85 91 98 REMSEN
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Since you posted those, I'll just add that its those late pace numbers in his two turn routes that made me consider him a toss-out for the derby. The only quality number was at the one turn distance. The Derby winner should show something strong in the late pace number when going 9F, as well as overall speed. The Remson was okay for 2yo's, but not overpowering. It was acheived only because of softer numbers on the first two calls.
FYI, I am a huge fan of bris numbers for this reason.