OKay, looks like Thunder Gulch is a presser from the PPs, I see. Looks pretty clear on that.

Alysheba I got to think is a closer he made a move prior to the turn which puts him closer when they get to the stretch but he's coming from far back so closer...

Pl. Colony, same he makes that move on the back stretch, he was way back.

Swale. More of E/P, I guess from the derby chart. He pressed the pace and pulled away as the got to the top of the stretch. Sounds a lot like Barbaro, huh? Dont recall seeing this race...

In the 1960s, I count about 6 closers, 2 stalkers (NoDance/Venetian Way) and 2 presser/need to lead (KauaiKing/Lucky Debonair).

So it seems we are approaching a ratio of 50/30/20 or so..


BTW: In thefirst post, I did not mean to imply that I was disagreeig w/ Cardus overall take on closers, I was merely quatifying the numbers. It sounds like I am disagreeing with his overall point.