OH Cardus...Sorry I did not see you had made your count earlier in the thread. I just posted a little too quickly.

Anyhow, from the last discussion we had on another forum (could be PaceAdvantage, or maybe one of the long dead ones..) we had a few more to add to your list.

Going back to 1980, add the following:

Charismatic; Thunder Gulch; ALysheba and Pleasant Colony.

I recall Charismatic and I have TG and Aly. on tape but if this is not right let me know. I"m always interested in historical comparisons and what not so I'd like to hear what you think.

Charismatic I think was a closer, I recall seeing him on the backstretch of some race the derby I guess just picking off horses, from that race I recall he made his move before the turn, which sort of complicates the analysis. At the BEL he was chasing the speedy Vision and Verse, was it???

Pleasant Colony is mentioned by one poster as being a deep closer so..

Anyhow, let me know what you think, this is always an interesting topic.

Oh btw: we did not figure out what Swale was but I will go look that up now...