I have never met the guy, and don't know what he even looks like, just heard he was in construction business. I stop in Schenectady to meet a friend who works at GE down there for lunch once in a while and we have lunch at a place that shows the races(a bowling alley of all places) and all you ever hear about is this guy and his horses from everyone in the place. I hear he owns part of Octave as well.