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Sightseek 02-16-2007 02:07 PM

After review...2 BC winning margins changed
 
Equibase changed the official margins for the Mile & Distaff:

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37595

That is a fairly significant difference.

Dunbar 02-16-2007 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
That is a fairly significant difference.

That was my reaction, too, Sightseek. I was surprised that they would have such a big error in the margin for such important races.

--Dunbar

mark2061mn 02-16-2007 02:25 PM

what about arazi winning the bc juvie way back when?

that's the longest 5 length win i've ever seen.

horseofcourse 02-16-2007 02:39 PM

Why does this matter?? Unless the order of finish changes, this seems to be pretty moot. I can't imagine Round Pond's broodmare value increasing now that her margin of victory is increased.

Sightseek 02-16-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Why does this matter?? Unless the order of finish changes, this seems to be pretty moot. I can't imagine Round Pond's broodmare value increasing now that her margin of victory is increased.

I could be wrong, but wouldn't it affect the past performance lines as far as Beyers and fractional times go?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-16-2007 02:43 PM

It would affect the Beyer figures slightly.

There are MANY uncorrected mistakes in the past performance lines of horses.

horseofcourse 02-16-2007 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I could be wrong, but wouldn't it affect the past performance lines as far as Beyers and fractional times go?

everyone behind those two horses, but just minimally. Their times are correct (miesque's approval and round pond).

Sightseek 02-16-2007 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
It would affect the Beyer figures slightly.

There are MANY uncorrected mistakes in the past performance lines of horses.

Thanks.
How do you usually spot them, from checking the charts or is that where the mistake originates? Or is it something you're more apt to pick up in watching the replay?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-16-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Thanks.
How do you usually spot them, from checking the charts or is that where the mistake originates? Or is it something you're more apt to pick up in watching the replay?

The chartcallers have very tough jobs....and will make more mistakes than people realize.

If you want an example of an uncorrected mistake---go look at the past performances for Mike Watchmaker's #1 ranked sprinter in the country, Smokey Stover.

In his defeat at Turf Paradice, the chart caller confused him with another horse in the race---and he was simply not racing in 8th place (9 lengths back) after the first quarter mile, and in 7th place after a half mile.

In that instance, Smokey Stover was wearing pink silks, and the horse he was confused with had pink blinkers.

Sightseek 02-16-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The chartcallers have very tough jobs....and will make more mistakes than people realize.

If you want an example of an uncorrected mistake---go look at the past performances for Mike Watchmaker's #1 ranked sprinter in the country, Smokey Stover.

In his defeat at Turf Paradice, the chart caller confused him with another horse in the race---and he was simply not racing in 8th place (9 lengths back) after the first quarter mile, and in 7th place after a half mile.

In that instance, Smokey Stover was wearing pink silks, and the horse he was confused with had pink blinkers.

That job does seem seriously tough. Do they have replays to rely on if need be or do they need to pass on the information as quickly as possible following the race?

I'll check out Smokey's pp's tomorrow afternoon, thanks for the example. Was he in different ownership? I thought Aleo's silks were orange-ish?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-16-2007 03:40 PM

Orange-ish...Pink-ish...I don't know, I'm bad with colors myself.

Gander 02-16-2007 03:41 PM

Doesnt mean anything at all. Especially considering 90% of all horses who ran in both races are retired anyways. Nobody really cares how much horses won by or lost by.


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